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Old 07-20-2012, 04:51 PM   #13066
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Hey all,

I haven't kept up with this thread in months, but just a quick check in. I just crossed the 8k mile mark at 11 months. That consists of 30% dirt/fire road 70% slab. Not one single issue and I love the bike.

Headed to CO, NM, and maybe WO in September and can't wait. 4k in 8 days.

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Old 07-20-2012, 06:46 PM   #13067
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The background to my story is pretty much the same and Yukon Yamaha told me the same as they told George. Also there were a lot of leaking fork seals in Whitehorse. I spoke to my local dealer earlier today and he is requesting Yukon Yamaha to submit a claim to Yamaha and reimburse me. We'll see what happens.
Often when determining the warrantability of a product failure a some basic questions will prove to be a good litmus test for a legit claim. You basically need to convince Yamaha that the part was defective.


One, was there an outside influence that contributed to the failure?


Two, had the unit exposed to abnormal, commercial, severe or racing conditions?


Three,was the failure just simply “Fair wear and tear”?


Often your bigger/better performing dealerships will get a monthly allocation of credit to use as “good will” towards issues that do not meet the definition of the warranty. Also, big dealers say like a Honda Power House dealer may have pre approval authority to perform repairs without waiting on the factory rep to review and approve the mess. Those claims are still reviewed by the factory, but the dealership may have some wiggle room if they move a lot of product. Yeah, there is politicts between the factories and dealers.

From my vast off road experience, I’ll bet if the fork seals were cleaned of dirt either on or off the bike, they would function correctly. Does that mean that the seals were/are defective? That depends on who defines “defective”…and that generally ain’t the customer. Your dealer may just eat the repair cost to avoid the whole damn hassle bewteen you, him and the factory, some call it the cost of doing business. Some call it other things.

Of course the real fun comes in the form of a recall. Say in six months the factory has a recall on all Super Tenere's due to premature failure of the fork seals. Well good luck trying to get the money you paid back for your repair.
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:16 PM   #13068
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My take on this is this...

1) I do not expect rubber to win against grit.
2) I would run some gaiters (just like the old days) or wraps (kriegas) if I was going to do huge amounts of dirt / mud.
3) I would try a clean first. As with dirt bikes the crap tends to push out the seals.
4) Have they failed or just become clogged. If they are cleaned and they are back to normal well then use a Kriega or equivalent for long trips.
5) I would hassle the dealers and YAMAHA because having a good think about the bikes "issues" and good will, will always be better than having no idea there is an "issue". YAMAHA may not have expected the kind of use these bikes are getting (although the seal thing I would say they should have). Try and make them pay as this is a better persuader of management then anything else. This will appear on P&L's every month and can be directly traceable where as "good will" is a bit airy fairy for accountants, until they go and try and sell the company. I think the marketing department thought that Starbucks was going to be the prime destination, while the engineers were fuming in the background.
5) They may update the front fender and seals at a later date if that is the case. I mean what power does an engineer have in a company really. It's all their fault anyway.
YAMAHA may threaten to switch suspension suppliers if they don't fix it.
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:44 AM   #13069
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Octane

It never dawned on me until I sat on the bike on the dealer floor. Staring at me from the little decal below the fuel filler on the tank is "min octane 91"

I can't help but think that many gallons of 87 has been drank by this bike around the globe.

Certainly would have to be where I live. 87 is it, nothing better is available.

Would like to hear your comments.


I did search this thread for info. Appears the bike can handle it. Still, if there are owners that have actually, especially long term, please chime in.

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Old 07-21-2012, 01:43 AM   #13070
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Over here in Australia, your choices outside the big cities are 91RON (87AKI) or diesel.

The bike runs fine on 91RON, but I have never tried it with diesel.

My general rule is run it on 95 / 98 RON because of the cleaning agents, which are better for the long term, but run 91RON (87AKI) when it's available. In the very middle of Australia you can only buy OPAL fuel by law, which is a low fume 91 RON which is still OK.

The only caveat I would put on 87 is at low altitude in hot temps, 100F/40C and over don't lug the engine.

YAMAHA designed the bike to cope, it's just that the premium is safe at any temp, any altitude and any IQ and is generally cleaner.

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Old 07-21-2012, 01:53 AM   #13071
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I run 87 when traveling or riding with my wife. If I think I will pick up the pace with a group ride I will run premium. Have not notice any issues.
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:59 AM   #13072
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A colleague has a fork seal problem and the dealer changed with no charges. They said to him the fork seals aren’t covered in guarantee but they did it.
To avoid this problem I installed this fork seals they worked fine in my DRZ.

If i was you,i would keep those things out of the sun.I am on my 2nd pair of those,the 1st pair startes cracking,so they sent me a 2nd pair @ No Charge & told me to put some sun screen on the outsides of them,Which i did (SPF 50)i have had the 2nd pair maybe 2 months & they are starting to crack already.Just saying!!
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:21 AM   #13073
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I know of at least one person in South Africa who had to pay for his fork seals whilst under warranty
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Old 07-21-2012, 09:29 AM   #13074
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Does anybody have any experience/thoughts on the touratech screen adjuster?

I have tried the madstad with 3 different screens and it doesn't seem to help at all. If anything it makes it worse because of the amount of air it lets under the screen if you tilt it back any appreciable amount. The only really acceptable setting I found with it mirrored the stock angle so I've removed it. It looks like the touratech doesn't hold the screen out nearly as far as the madstad does.
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Old 07-21-2012, 09:29 AM   #13075
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I can't help but think that many gallons of 87 has been drank by this bike around the globe.
Been discussed on this and other forums repeatedly. Many report using 87 without problem, but others have reported pinging. The octane required to prevent pinging varies quite a bit depending on circumstances and even the individual bike. You buy premium fuel to prevent pinging in the most challenging circumstances, which are not typically the octane requirements you encounter day-to-day.

My personal take is that on a bike without knock sensors, I'll use what is spec'ed unless it is unavailable. I don't believe there is anything special about the S10 which makes it more/less likely Yamaha has been conservative with their requirements.

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Old 07-21-2012, 10:38 AM   #13076
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Question Pinging? When? Where?

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Been discussed on this and other forums repeatedly. Many report using 87 without problem, but others have reported pinging...

- Mark

I try to keep up reading the various Super Tenere forums, both here on ADVrider as well as the others, and I don't ever recall *anyone* ever reporting any pinging or detonation with a Super Tenere regardless of what octane-rating fuel they ran...

Got any links to posts or articles about that, Mark... Or recall which posters reported pinging on 87 octane?

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Old 07-21-2012, 11:59 AM   #13077
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I reported the same pinging (more like knocking from hell) months ago when I used low octane fuel.

It could have been a bad batch of gas from an obscure gas station (the only had low octane fuel)

I have used low octane since then without the same knocking and I have also added octane boost at times when gas stations only had low octane fuel.

I will say that the knocking only happened a couple of times, all I can blame is the lower than expected fuel quality rather than a lower than advised octane requirement.

If in doubt use octane boost, when I am I do.
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:55 PM   #13078
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If i was you,i would keep those things out of the sun.I am on my 2nd pair of those,the 1st pair startes cracking,so they sent me a 2nd pair @ No Charge & told me to put some sun screen on the outsides of them,Which i did (SPF 50)i have had the 2nd pair maybe 2 months & they are starting to crack already.Just saying!!
Sun cream!!! not sun!!! I'm in Spain... .
Ok, we'll see
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:43 PM   #13079
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Does anybody have any experience/thoughts on the touratech screen adjuster?

I have tried the madstad with 3 different screens and it doesn't seem to help at all. If anything it makes it worse because of the amount of air it lets under the screen if you tilt it back any appreciable amount. The only really acceptable setting I found with it mirrored the stock angle so I've removed it. It looks like the touratech doesn't hold the screen out nearly as far as the madstad does.
I have installed the touratech piece recently. I have done close to 3,000 km in one week last week with it, of which i had two days of 900 km each. I was a little surprised by the amount of vibs the thing gets from the bike, but i got used to it ( the vibs get worse due to the gps bracket and a touratech (metal) gps holder - from the weight of it) but i got used to it. Wind buffeting is acceptable, even on the longer rides. So if you ask me if id recommend - i guess id say yes.. :-)

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Old 07-22-2012, 04:29 AM   #13080
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max reserve

whats the biggest number acheived whilst running on reserve...did 62km @100kph tonight on way home. made it !!
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