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Old 07-24-2012, 10:01 AM   #13111
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Thanks Dallara :)

Mine are no longer leaking after the cleaning we did. I'm going to look into the link you have once I'm home and buy whatever you recommend

My question is, how do I know or how can I find out how much oil it leaked? Should I send it to the dealer?
I don't think it was a lot but... :

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Old 07-24-2012, 10:11 AM   #13112
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My question is, how do I know or how can I find out how much oil it leaked? Should I send it to the dealer?
I don't think it was a lot but... :
Unless it's leaving puddles when you park, it's not leaking enough to make a difference.
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Old 07-24-2012, 10:35 AM   #13113
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Thanks Dallara :)

Mine are no longer leaking after the cleaning we did. I'm going to look into the link you have once I'm home and buy whatever you recommend


My question is, how do I know or how can I find out how much oil it leaked? Should I send it to the dealer?

I don't think it was a lot but... :

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Just like Mikef5000 said, unless you literally see puddles under the forks, and/or your front brakes are no longer working, then I doubt you've lost enough to worry about. Maybe you dropped your oil level in the forks a millimeter or two... Doubtful it's more than that.

You know how oil is... five drops on your garage floor looks like a puddle the next day. What usually gets past fork seals is more of a *mist* or *fog* of oil. That coats the slider tubes, and lots of dust and dirt adheres to the oil film, then the action of the forks squeegees this down, making it all look way worse than it usually is.

I really do keep one of the "Seal Mate" cleaners under the seat of my S-10, and usually pull it out and give the seals a swipe after every good washing I give the bike. You'd be surprised at what comes out sometime, and my seals have never leaked.

One more thing to note about fork seals... If they do start leaking very badly it's *NOT* because they're *blown*, as in lost their tension, etc. At least not 95-99% of the time... It's because a piece of dirt or grit has actually *torn* one of the lip surfaces of the seal. Once that lip is torn then usually the tear just gets worse and worse, causing more leakage Once that tear reaches a certain point on the seal then the seal loses its structural integrity and sort of *rolls away* from it's dual duties of wiping the slider clean and keeping the oil in. Once it stops wiping the fork tube then more dirt gets in, resulting in more tears, etc., and the problem becomes a cascade. Finally all seal integrity is lost and oil really dumps out.

Stop the dirt from tearing the seal and you've helped alleviate the problem.

It's also important to remember that there is more than one *part* of the seal. On an "upside-down", starting from the bottom, you'll have a dust wiper. This is there mainly to knock large particles off the fork tube. Truly small particles get right past this. Next is the actual seal assembly itself, which also has a primary *wiper* face, and is often surrounded by a small diameter spring (the S-10 has one of these springs on it's outer dust wiper, as well). This spring is to help hold sufficient tension on this seal wiper so it can scrape even smaller bits of dirt and grit away from the tube and keep them from the inner lips of the seal itself. It is these inner seal lips, that are behind the female tubes dust wiper and the fork seals own primary wiper, that actually seal the oil in the fork. The trick is to keep dirt and grit from getting to those inner lips, and that's where film cleaners like the "Seal Mate" come in. They let you get under the wiper section and remove dirt that is building up behind it, and starting to tear at the inner seal lips themselves.

And BTW... A lot of the neoprene *booties* some are using, like "Seal-Savers" and the "Kriega" ones, do no more than just trap a lot of dirt and grit behind them and IMHO do more damage than good. Remember, you're not trying to stop the dirt and grit you *CAN* see... The forks own primary dust wiper will do that if they are in good shape. Get into some muddy water, and the dirt and grit suspended in that will easily get past that neoprene booty. And then it sits there, trapped between the booty and the dust wiper and seal wiper, doing its damage where you can't see it to clean it off. Add to that the fact that these neoprene booties can hold dirt in their surface that rides up and down on the fork tube and what you have is something that is continually gouging and scratching your very, very expensive chrome-plated fork tubes...

Hope this helps!

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Old 07-24-2012, 01:55 PM   #13114
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Okay Dallara, you realize I have been on the road for over a month :)
You mention lips down under too many times, halfway through your post I wasn't thinking about bikes anymore



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Old 07-24-2012, 01:59 PM   #13115
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Hell I haven't been on the road at all, just sitting at work, and even I was fantasizing once he started mention the female lips and booties and such.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:59 PM   #13116
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Okay Dallara, you realize I have been on the road for over a month :)
You mention lips down under too many times, halfway through your post I wasn't thinking about bikes anymore



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Damn, Goldie!

You've been gone up to those Artic reaches for too, too long...

Earlier when you had been saying you had "blown a seal" I thought you meant your forks were leaking... Now I'm not so sure what you meant!!!

Get thyself back to civilization, and women, *SOON*!!!

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Old 07-24-2012, 04:15 PM   #13117
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Damn, Goldie!

You've been gone up to those Artic reaches for too, too long...

Earlier when you had been saying you had "blown a seal" I thought you meant your forks were leaking... Now I'm not so sure what you meant!!!

Get thyself back to civilization, and women, *SOON*!!!

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Old 07-24-2012, 05:29 PM   #13118
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I thought you were the one telling everyone to Seal Mate.....no?

Well, if you are getting seals for your forks it is rather imperative to check them to make sure they are the correct diameter so they fit tightly...

Hell, I often check their size over and over and over and over...

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Old 07-24-2012, 06:21 PM   #13119
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Is this you Goldie?



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Old 07-24-2012, 07:25 PM   #13120
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Damn, Goldie!

You've been gone up to those Artic reaches for too, too long...

Get thyself back to civilization, and women, *SOON*!!!

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That was funny

I can't wait....

By the way, here's a picture of the crap you encounter in Alaska, look at the forks

You let that shit dry and the next day it's like cement and then it goes up the seals




Hey, I tried to wash them

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Old 07-24-2012, 07:39 PM   #13121
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:19 PM   #13122
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You'll get your photos, but after this weekend. Can't do to much off road though, the bike just looks fragile now with the stock plastic thingee down there....

I've got to say Yamaha priced the new cover a lot cheaper than I would have expected, and at least ONE part of my bike looks brand new again

Damn, Dave.....I would have GIVEN you my plastic thingy........
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:48 PM   #13123
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:47 AM   #13124
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any word on them bringing a the white tenere's to the US? i have a hard time keeping up with some of these threads
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:21 AM   #13125
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