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Old 09-18-2012, 10:56 AM   #13666
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I've owned a Harley Ultra Classic & now a KLR. I test rode an S10 and it didn't seem boring to me. Now if you're coming off a sport bike you might feel that way, but from my limited experience I thought it was pretty damn quick.
it's all relative I guess - once you're in 4th and above, the S10 is fine, but in twisties, 2nd and 3rd get used and that's where the problem is on the standard S10 when operating the bike below 5500RPM, at least according to my experience on the S10
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:00 AM   #13667
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...I test rode an S10 and it didn't seem boring to me. Now if you're coming off a sport bike you might feel that way, but from my limited experience I thought it was pretty damn quick.

I was very surprised to find that, in all the magazine tests, the ST's torque numbers were down (when compared to the other bikes).

To me, the ST feels like it pulls like a locomotive...


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Old 09-18-2012, 11:00 AM   #13668
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I didn't get to do any twisties, a few side streets and a blast down the interstate. My experience is limited, so I'll STFU.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:09 AM   #13669
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I'd agree that it pulls well just stock (from a test ride) and if you did the remap or clutch mod that would be a bonus. I'm real curious of how it handles when ridden hard (like if you were on a track) with stock tires and low pegs. I guess there may not be too much you could do to make it faster or handle better?
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:16 AM   #13670
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I was very surprised to find that, in all the magazine tests, the ST's torque numbers were down (when compared to the other bikes).

To me, the ST feels like it pulls like a locomotive...


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Old 09-18-2012, 11:17 AM   #13671
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I'd agree that it pulls well just stock (from a test ride) and if you did the remap or clutch mod that would be a bonus. I'm real curious of how it handles when ridden hard (like if you were on a track) with stock tires and low pegs. I guess there may not be too much you could do to make it faster or handle better?
If it is not quick enough for you, raise the rear (Wasp works), drop the triple clamp (i.e. raise the fork tubes) and put stiffer springs on the thang.

More seriously: Were you able to take one for a test ride yet? That will be much more valuable to you than a lot of second hand impressions.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:18 AM   #13672
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I'd agree that it pulls well just stock (from a test ride) and if you did the remap or clutch mod that would be a bonus...

Well, I do want to clarify that it pulls well, when it's in its powerband. For me, the bike has major suckage just off idle (IMHO).

Our driveway has a pretty good incline to it. And, several times, while trying to lug the ST up it, I've almost tipped the bike into my truck (because of the "on/off", light-switch fueling at the bottom-end).

If the ECUnleashed cures that, I'm all over it!...


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MCN 8 BIKE ADVENTURE TEST

What?...what did it say?

Linky?...


EDIT- Sorry about that, the pic didn't load the first time I came to this page.


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Old 09-18-2012, 11:43 AM   #13673
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Well, I do want to clarify that it pulls well, when it's in its powerband. For me, the bike has major suckage just off idle (IMHO).

Our driveway has a pretty good incline to it. And, several times, while trying to lug the ST up it, I've almost tipped the bike into my truck (because of the "on/off", light-switch fueling at the bottom-end).

If the ECUnleashed cures that, I'm all over it!...





What?...what did it say?

Linky?...


EDIT- Sorry about that, the pic didn't load the first time I came to this page.


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but here is more - S10 (according to their test) not the best or worst at anything - still love mine....


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Old 09-18-2012, 12:14 PM   #13674
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Quarter mile in 13.09 seconds?? I don't think so unless they left one spark plug wire off.
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:19 PM   #13675
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Quarter mile in 13.09 seconds?? I don't think so unless they left one spark plug wire off.
This number does seem suspiciously low.

I don't think there is much doubt that the S10 is the slowest of the big adventure touring bikes. It's a 90 RWHP bike with 575-lbs of weight (without accessories) so it is no rip-snorter. The power is certainly adequate and it has good torque, but if you're looking for a truly fast adventure bike, I'd just get the Duc and be done with it.

Back to the question of how it handles as a twisty-pavement bike, I'd say it is great - stable, accurate, nice turn-in, etc. - up until you run out of cornering clearance. This establishes a moderate limit on twisty speed and while you can hang off and improve things a bit, you simply can't attack like you could on a sportbike - no surprise there. I'd judge the cornering clearance to be a little worse than the GS. Taller suspension would, I'm sure, help.

There's no free lunch. The S10 - with its generous legroom, superb heat control, and nice seating position with narrow tank between one's knees - is very comfortable and eminently suitable for chewing up long distances, whether on twisty two-lanes, dirt roads, or the freeway. It's got surprisingly good stock suspension and a decent seat. Keep your momentum up and you can make seriously fast time, as fast as any reasonably-sane person probably wants to go on a public road, no matter what they're riding. But it is a bike a lot more suited to a 7/10th's pace rather than a 9/10th's pace.

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Old 09-18-2012, 01:24 PM   #13676
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I'd agree that it pulls well just stock (from a test ride) and if you did the remap or clutch mod that would be a bonus. I'm real curious of how it handles when ridden hard (like if you were on a track) with stock tires and low pegs. I guess there may not be too much you could do to make it faster or handle better?
Move your body and get off the seat - it'll corner to the tire limits.

Take a stripped piece of wire and do your test ride again, so you can jumper the clutch switch connector, located beneath the clutch lever.

Then decide if it's your flavor.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:15 PM   #13677
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Anyone have a link to that article? I tried to google it with no luck.

What the heck bikes are these? Is it the new Triumph 1200? Because I've personally tested my S10 next to a Tiger 800 and came up with very different results than them. What Kawasaki Adventure Bike are they using? Honda?

Cycleworld tested the S10 with these results:

QM
11.69 sec. @ 109.99 mph

0-60
3.4 sec.

Top Gear 40-60
4.1 sec.

Top Gear 60-80
4.4 sec.

Braking 60-0
135 ft.

MCN must have left their S10 in Touring mode.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:44 PM   #13678
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This number does seem suspiciously low.

I don't think there is much doubt that the S10 is the slowest of the big adventure touring bikes. It's a 90 RWHP bike with 575-lbs of weight (without accessories) so it is no rip-snorter. The power is certainly adequate and it has good torque, but if you're looking for a truly fast adventure bike, I'd just get the Duc and be done with it.

Back to the question of how it handles as a twisty-pavement bike, I'd say it is great - stable, accurate, nice turn-in, etc. - up until you run out of cornering clearance. This establishes a moderate limit on twisty speed and while you can hang off and improve things a bit, you simply can't attack like you could on a sportbike - no surprise there. I'd judge the cornering clearance to be a little worse than the GS. Taller suspension would, I'm sure, help.

There's no free lunch. The S10 - with its generous legroom, superb heat control, and nice seating position with narrow tank between one's knees - is very comfortable and eminently suitable for chewing up long distances, whether on twisty two-lanes, dirt roads, or the freeway. It's got surprisingly good stock suspension and a decent seat. Keep your momentum up and you can make seriously fast time, as fast as any reasonably-sane person probably wants to go on a public road, no matter what they're riding. But it is a bike a lot more suited to a 7/10th's pace rather than a 9/10th's pace.

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Well said Mark. I guess I'd be asking for too much if it had corner clearance and significant lean angle, oh well. I may have to accept it for what it is, not what it could be. It is a damn fine machine, that is number 1 on my list of bikes to buy. Thanks for the input, it helps!
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:53 PM   #13679
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Anyone have a link to that article? I tried to google it with no luck.


MCN must have left their S10 in Touring mode.
Yep, That is pretty much what they tend to do.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:56 PM   #13680
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...as fast as any reasonably-sane person probably wants to go on a public road, no matter what they're riding.

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I have noticed that most owners seem to reasonably sane and well rounded as well. I suppose people buy what works with their personality. If they are insane at least they tend to be fun insane rather than creepy insane, isn't that right pluric?
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