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Old 11-07-2012, 03:42 PM   #14191
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I suggest you try both ABS systems. I don't have a clue how well the new BMW ABS will work, but the S10 works pretty well nearly everywhere for 98% of riders. .
How many times must I say it, I don’t like ABS on a MC and if I had a choice I would never have it again.
I have a 2005 R1200GS that I have been riding for the last 8 years. I would not still have the bike if I could not turn ABS off and ignore the linkage system on it.
These are two things I dislike about the bike, ABS and linkage.

I like using the brakes on a MC, it is fun for me.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:54 PM   #14192
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How many times must I say it, I don’t like ABS on a MC and if I had a choice I would never have it again.
Then just pull the ABS fuse and trash it at the dealership; your biggest complaint is now completely eliminated!
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:59 PM   #14193
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Then just pull the ABS fuse and trash it at the dealership; your biggest complaint is now completely eliminated!
Do you take candy from babies too? The one thing mudcat could possibly have to bitch about
and you take it away. Grinch.

Oh wait, the throttle hiccup, nevermind.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:02 PM   #14194
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28,000 miles and still on original brake pads, front and back are wearing about the same, should go another 8k easy maybe more.

I use UBS almost all the time, tho I do add some rear to the front (UBS) when stopping quicker. ABS is superb on this bike and will be the standard to go by for me in the future on other bikes. Never found a need to disable, and I have been on about all you want to get into on and off road.

The 2013 Multi 12 is also software linked to apply rear when you apply front brake. Looks like some type of linked brakes is coming for most all bikes.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:05 PM   #14195
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Do you take candy from babies too? The one thing mudcat could possibly have to bitch about
and you take it away. Grinch.

Oh wait, the throttle hiccup, nevermind.

Awww, too bad the ABS fuse isn't of the mini blade variety! Then you could pull it out of the ABS slot, and jam it into the clutch switch... and POW POW!
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:23 PM   #14196
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How many times must I say it, I don’t like ABS on a MC and if I had a choice I would never have it again.
I have a 2005 R1200GS that I have been riding for the last 8 years. I would not still have the bike if I could not turn ABS off and ignore the linkage system on it.
These are two things I dislike about the bike, ABS and linkage.

I like using the brakes on a MC, it is fun for me.
OK Buy the bike, rip it out, bypass the whole thing, put the system aside and sell it in 10 years to fund your retirement.

But really I've got to ask, why the whole anti ABS thing.

Manufacturers are now making bikes with non switchable ABS because in general, they are required to.
So don't get me wrong, I am only expressing MY opinion based on MY experience with MY bike.

I don't care about "nanny states" or how any other bikes ABS works because they are all different. If I couldn't buy a bike without ABS, I would just treat the whole thing as a personalization (farkle) and go and get the thing permanently disabled. If I decided I hated it I would buy a bike with out it installed and save a few dollars.

But in the end I saved big bucks by going for the YAMAHA and can't see any downsides. The bike works really well with or without ABS / UBS. It's just I don't ride enough to keep my skill levels up that high and haven't found a place where the ABS/UBS has caused me a problem. Not that I go looking for it.

When I can I just ride and go down roads, whatever they may be. YMMV.

Maybe a KTM would be more to your liking. It's a bit more raw and feral.

I am not trying to convince you of anything really, just giving you MY opinion.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:24 PM   #14197
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How many times must I say it, I don’t like ABS on a MC and if I had a choice I would never have it again.
I have a 2005 R1200GS that I have been riding for the last 8 years. I would not still have the bike if I could not turn ABS off and ignore the linkage system on it.
These are two things I dislike about the bike, ABS and linkage.

I like using the brakes on a MC, it is fun for me.


I feel your pain... That's the way I used to feel about ABS, and all my other bikes are ABS-free. For me it's really not a problem one way or the other. That said, the ABS on the Super Ténéré is about as close to having your cake and eating it, too - i.e. having ABS yet never really knowing you do for the most part.

But unfortunately you better get used to ABS, or find a bike now without it you want to keep for the rest of your life. IIRC, the powers that be are about to mandate all street-legal bikes come standard with ABS in Europe, and it is looking like all the major manufacturers are going to be equipping all their bikes with ABS to stave off government regulations from telling them the best way to do it. After a certain point, due to no more than basic economies of scale, it'll be cheaper for them to simply make all their bikes with ABS standard. Then there is the liability issue... Once they start equipping large portions of their model line-ups with ABS then any model that doesn't have it becomes a potential lawsuit magnet.

Point is, standard, across-the-board ABS is coming, like it or not. Thank goodness folks like Yamaha are making it pretty damn good now!



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28,000 miles and still on original brake pads, front and back are wearing about the same, should go another 8k easy maybe more.

I use UBS almost all the time, tho I do add some rear to the front (UBS) when stopping quicker. ABS is superb on this bike and will be the standard to go by for me in the future on other bikes. Never found a need to disable, and I have been on about all you want to get into on and off road.


The 2013 Multi 12 is also software linked to apply rear when you apply front brake. Looks like some type of linked brakes is coming for most all bikes.


And as above, linked brakes are coming, too... Whether we like it or not, driven as much by bureaucrats who think motorcycles should be more like cars, with one actuating point applying the brakes on all the wheels on the vehicle. IIRC, this is also in some of the European regulation proposals to make ABS standard on bikes. My recollection is that these proposed regulations will not allow switches to turn either system "off", either.

Welcome to "1984", and "Big Brother" is going to "save you"...


Regarding the pads, Llamapacker... my experience mirrors yours - i.e. the pads F&R wore at about the same rate, and though I changed them at 21,500 miles they could have gone quite a bit further.

Dallara





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Old 11-07-2012, 06:44 PM   #14198
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But really I've got to ask, why the whole anti ABS thing.
Despite all the glowing endorsements for the ABS system on my 1200, I found the system to be only a source of frustration and close calls.
And I like to use a brake to steer at times; I want to be able to lock a wheel. In the dirt I may want to lock both wheels, at times

My 1200 is much more fun to ride with ABS off and I have better control of the bike.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:05 PM   #14199
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Despite all the glowing endorsements for the ABS system on my 1200,
Fair enough. I see why you are skeptical.
All I can say is try and see. you can always easily do a disable at any time for little money.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:18 AM   #14200
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And I like to use a brake to steer at times; I want to be able to lock a wheel. In the dirt I may want to lock both wheels, at times

My 1200 is much more fun to ride with ABS off and I have better control of the bike.
Sometimes brake-slides are fun, if not useful.



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Old 11-08-2012, 09:24 AM   #14201
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This is the Tenere/KLR thread. You can't put Honda pictures in here to.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:43 AM   #14202
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When I nearly overcooked a corner on gravel with the stock Tourances, a stomp on the rear brake still let me get the back end out enough to rotate the bike and do a brake slide all of the way around the bend. I believe I was also in TC2, but I doubt that made a difference.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:18 AM   #14203
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This is the Tenere/KLR thread. You can't put Honda pictures in here to.
I know I violated protocol....... but I ride a KLR, own two Yamahas and want a Tenere. Can I get a special pass.... just this once?
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:41 AM   #14204
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I know I violated protocol... .... but I ride a KLR, own two Yamahas and want a Tenere. Can I get a special pass.... just this once?
Aww, what the heck, sure. But next time it's the ole Tenere Two Burner.



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