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Old 12-17-2012, 09:17 PM   #14761
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I had the reflash before the clutch mod. Across the whole rpm range it smooths out flat spots
and made the bike feel perfectly jetted. I would do the reflash again.
Did the clutch mod make a difference after the reflash? I thought the reflash eliminated the 1st-3rd gear power restrictions that the clutch mod also gets rid of.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:15 PM   #14762
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I gotta' admit; These posts are putting a little happy in my pocket.

Ewwwww, could have lived without that visual.

With any luck, I'm gonna' try to get my ECU done, after the first of the year. I was waiting until I had a few thousand miles on the bike, so that I was thoroughly used to its behavior (and would immediately notice any difference).


My main question is this...

Does it do anything to the bike on the bottom-end?

Yes, cures the off idle stumble. Smooths out the entire throttle range. No surge or hiccups.


Anyone who rides this bike, for a few hours, will realize that the low-RPM (and partial-throttle) fueling is dicked-up. In fact, if you wanna' see how dicked-up it is, roll the throttle on (1/8 to 1/4) under compression braking. It gargles and warbles all kinds of unnatural noises. And, if you fill it with regular, the low-end issues are even more pronounced.

Other than my KLR, I have never owned a bike that I couldn't (first gear) drift the ass-end, in turns. Even my little DR had a little hooligan in its blood. This bike has NADA...NOTHING. I have a hard time believing that a 1200 doesn't have a little unlocked juice left in there.

I didn't feel there was a large perfomance increase. Some and dyno tests show HP increase.
I was hoping for a sea level feel at alttitude, didn't happen.


I love this bike SO MUCH. A little hooliganability would just be icing on the cake...


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You don't have to drift it to find a little hooligan.

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Old 12-18-2012, 01:25 AM   #14763
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I have been putting off any mods up till now as most of my riding is 2 up.

Can someone tell me (and I am sure it was posted before on page gazillion) but does the ECU flash remove T mode.

I find T mode useful in traffic especially when the boss is on the back.

The stumble and cutting out when blipping the throttle is starting to pi55 me off so now I am thinking about it.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:44 AM   #14764
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I have been putting off any mods up till now as most of my riding is 2 up.

Can someone tell me (and I am sure it was posted before on page gazillion) but does the ECU flash remove T mode.

I find T mode useful in traffic especially when the boss is on the back.

The stumble and cutting out when blipping the throttle is starting to pi55 me off so now I am thinking about it.
The clutch mod will get rid of the stumble off idle. If you add a switch you can use T (or S) mode when desired.

From what I understand, the Diapason reflash leaves T mode unchanged, while the ECU Unleashed reflash sharpens it up a bit but it's still less aggressive than S mode.
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:17 AM   #14765
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You don't have to drift it to find a little hooligan....

How much does the County charge you, for asphalt repair, when that front wheel touches down?

Thanks for the response, Pluric. Other than you and Allan, sometimes, after I post a question, I start to think that the whole thread has me on "ignore".


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I have been putting off any mods up till now as most of my riding is 2 up.

Can someone tell me (and I am sure it was posted before on page gazillion) but does the ECU flash remove T mode.

I find T mode useful in traffic especially when the boss is on the back.

The stumble and cutting out when blipping the throttle is starting to pi55 me off so now I am thinking about it.

I feel like the highlighted areas coulda' been me posting. I feel the same way.

Like you, I also find myself using the "T" mode. Most recently, San Antonio has been getting these morning drizzles. They soak the street, but don't really wash-off the oils. I absolutely love "T" mode (and all the other 'lectronic goodies) during those "oil slicks".

In regard to the throttle blipping, mine has cut-out completely (died), twice, while I did that. As you stated, it's kind of annoying...


EDIT- I forgot to post; When I spoke to the gentleman, at AF-1, he informed me that (after the reflash) "T" is still "T", and "S" is still "S". As has been posted, the reflash simply makes the bike run like it is perfectly fueled...


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Old 12-18-2012, 04:28 AM   #14766
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I'm running the Diapason reflash and really like it. That said, if I had to do it over again I'd go with the ECU unleashed flash. As much as I like most of what the Diapason flash brings, it doesn't smooth out the on/off throttle transitions. They are more abrupt if anything (S mode). From what I've been reading, people who have the ECU unleashed flash report a smoother on/off throttle transition.

When you add-in the fact that Italian customs jacks you up with an import duty on the way in, communication from MotoShop Yamaha is spotty and slow, then U.S. Customs hits you with an import duty on the way back, ECUu really starts looking attractive.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:19 AM   #14767
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Does it do anything to the bike on the bottom-end?

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From my short ride yesterday evening, I can say the answer is a definitive yes!

Example 1:
Before the re-flash when cruising along at about 65 in 6th gear, if you had to slow to 55, you really needed to downshift to 5th to get back up to speed without having the engine feel like it was going to rattle itself to death. Now it will roll from about 50 to whatever speed you want in 6th gear and do it smoothly.

Example 2:
Lugging in 1st gear, rolling around 7-8 mph; before the re-flash the bike would lunge and lurch when you cracked the throttle. Now it just transitions smoothly from idling to whatever amount of throttle you give it.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:33 AM   #14768
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No reflashed bike to compare it with unfortunately, but my bike feels smooth and powerful with the clutch mod compared to without it. Fixes the initial lag in first gear and will lift the front wheel in second. If the reflash bumps up the upper rpm power I might consider it after losing a highway roll-on contest to a stock 2006 1200GS in 5th and 6th gears.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:44 AM   #14769
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Thanks for the response, Pluric. Other than you and Allan, sometimes, after I post a question, I start to think that the whole thread has me on "ignore".


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Opps, I just got a bunch of angry PMs. Seems the other guys are pretty pissed at Allan and I right now.

Gotta go, someone is driving slow by my house again.

Seriously check out the threads over on the sober site about the reflash. I used the people in
Texas at Dallara's recomendation. AF-1 I think. Fast turnover. They'll talk to you on the phone
about any concerns or if you have after market mods that may need to be considered for the
reflash. Very good people to work with.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:52 AM   #14770
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No reflashed bike to compare it with unfortunately, but my bike feels smooth and powerful with the clutch mod compared to without it. Fixes the initial lag in first gear and will lift the front wheel in second. If the reflash bumps up the upper rpm power I might consider it after losing a highway roll-on contest to a stock 2006 1200GS in 5th and 6th gears.
Wait until you try it against a 2010 GS. That was just humiliating. Oh well, The Tenere beat it off road.

I did feel it pulled stronger in the upper gears after the reflash. As far as lofting the wheel into second
you must be at or close sea level. When I had it in Baja it was a different bike. Big grins.
Utah is pretty stingy with it's air and it's a noticable differerence in power loss.

Trying to get to Death Valley next week to get my air fix.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:06 AM   #14771
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Trying to get to Death Valley next week to get my air fix.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:47 AM   #14772
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From my short ride yesterday evening, I can say the answer is a definitive yes!

Example 1:...


...Example 2:...

As usual, I'm liking what I'm hearing. Those are definitely two behaviors that I've noticed (and the bike could do without).

I'm all for "clean" vehicles. But, the Manufacturers and Emissions folks should try to strike a balance between "clean" and "nice running". If it were more balanced, I think Yamaha woulda' hit the nail square on the head with this bike. Except for a few little quirks, the bike is damn-near perfect for me.


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Opps, I just got a bunch of angry PMs. Seems the other guys are pretty pissed at Allan and I right now.

Gotta go, someone is driving slow by my house again.

Seriously check out the threads over on the sober site about the reflash. I used the people in
Texas at Dallara's recomendation. AF-1 I think. Fast turnover. They'll talk to you on the phone
about any concerns or if you have after market mods that may need to be considered for the
reflash. Very good people to work with.

Seriously, man. You've seen some of my questions. I post, and it's like *crickets*...and then y'all go back to discussing waitresses, the sexual orientation of the owners of black S-Ts, etc.

The guy you're thinking of is "Ed", at AF1. Allan gave me his name. The great thing, for me, is AF1 is ~60 miles from my front door.

As far as readling more about the ECUnleashed, I'm already sold. I just wanted to ask that one question.


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Old 12-18-2012, 09:01 AM   #14773
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Seriously, man. You've seen some of my questions. I post, and it's like *crickets*...and then y'all go back to discussing waitresses, the sexual orientation of the owners of black S-Ts, etc.

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Like this one?

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I asked this question, before, and don't remember getting a single response. So, I wanted to check-in, again.

I have a Yamaha top box. It lets-in dust, water, small animals, etc. (while it's closed and locked)

I seem to remember that this was a common issue, and that there mighta' been some warranty assistance. However, my search fu is weak.

Anyone got any info. they could throw my way?


Thanks in advance...

J.J.


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I don't have the Yamaha cases, so I'm no help.



But I get the same feeling sometimes. I just figured it was because my S10 is black.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:10 AM   #14774
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Like this one?...

Exactly like that one...


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...I don't have the Yamaha cases, so I'm no help.



But I get the same feeling sometimes. I just figured it was because my S10 is black.

Oh, your S-T is black?

Please don't respond to anymore of my questions...



















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Old 12-18-2012, 09:24 AM   #14775
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Exactly like that one...





Oh, your S-T is black?

Please don't respond to anymore of my questions...



















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