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Old 12-17-2012, 04:57 PM   #14776
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Just did the clutch mod....
WOW what a difference!!! No more hesitation/stumble at take off and a way more responsive throttle.. Very happy, bike is brand new with 150 miles and this just made it even better!!
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:54 PM   #14777
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Just did the clutch mod....
WOW what a difference!!! No more hesitation/stumble at take off and a way more responsive throttle.. Very happy, bike is brand new with 150 miles and this just made it even better!!
I did the same the other day and added a switch so I can still use the regular modes when needed. Works great so I'm not sure why some people went ahead with the $400 reflash after doing the clutch mod. Does it have an advantage that makes it worth that kind of cash?
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:58 PM   #14778
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I did the same the other day and added a switch so I can still use the regular modes when needed. Works great so I'm not sure why some people went ahead with the $400y jetted. reflash after doing the clutch mod. Does it have an advantage that makes it worth that kind of cash?
I had the reflash before the clutch mod. Across the whole rpm range it smooths out flat spots
and made the bike feel perfectly jetted. I would do the reflash again.
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:24 PM   #14779
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I did the same the other day and added a switch so I can still use the regular modes when needed. Works great so I'm not sure why some people went ahead with the $400 reflash after doing the clutch mod. Does it have an advantage that makes it worth that kind of cash?
Like Pluric I had the reflash done and it made the bike run properly in all phases. I would have it done again only sooner than later.
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:26 PM   #14780
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Another re-flash fan here. Glad I had it done.
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:51 PM   #14781
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Plus one more fan of the flash. It really changed my bike for the better.
It is much smoother through the power band.
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:14 PM   #14782
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Just got my ECU back today from AF1 today. I had previously been running the clutch switch mod. Got the ECU flashed for regular gas since we can get non-ethanol regular around here.

The bike is much smoother. It just runs like a well sorted bike should. No dips, blips, surges etc...

The clutch switch mod was pretty good in my opinion, but I started not liking it in slow speed off-road situations, it was just too abrupt at low rpm's.
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:44 PM   #14783
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Question Where'd you say your re-flash was done?

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I did the same the other day and added a switch so I can still use the regular modes when needed. Works great so I'm not sure why some people went ahead with the $400 reflash after doing the clutch mod. Does it have an advantage that makes it worth that kind of cash?

Well, for one... I didn't pay that much for my ECUunleashed re-flash...

But more importantly, I greatly prefer the re-flash over the clutch-switch mod, and I don't run the clutch-switch mod on my bike. In fact, it's a toss-up in my mind whether my ECUunleashed re-flash or the Stoltec-Penske rear shock/Stoltec-revalved/re-sprung forks are the best money I've spent on my Super Tenere...

I'd gladly spend the money on those mods again, no problem.

Also, I guess I missed it somewhere in here, but which re-flash did you get done, on your bike, that you are comparing with the clutch-switch mod? How many miles did you have on each for comparison?

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Old 12-17-2012, 08:59 PM   #14784
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I had the reflash before the clutch mod. Across the whole rpm range it smooths out flat spots
and made the bike feel perfectly jetted. I would do the reflash again.
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Like Pluric I had the reflash done and it made the bike run properly in all phases. I would have it done again only sooner than later.
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Another re-flash fan here. Glad I had it done.
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Plus one more fan of the flash. It really changed my bike for the better.
It is much smoother through the power band.
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Just got my ECU back today from AF1 today. I had previously been running the clutch switch mod. Got the ECU flashed for regular gas since we can get non-ethanol regular around here.

The bike is much smoother. It just runs like a well sorted bike should. No dips, blips, surges etc...

The clutch switch mod was pretty good in my opinion, but I started not liking it in slow speed off-road situations, it was just too abrupt at low rpm's.


I gotta' admit; These posts are putting a little happy in my pocket.

With any luck, I'm gonna' try to get my ECU done, after the first of the year. I was waiting until I had a few thousand miles on the bike, so that I was thoroughly used to its behavior (and would immediately notice any difference).


My main question is this...

Does it do anything to the bike on the bottom-end?


Anyone who rides this bike, for a few hours, will realize that the low-RPM (and partial-throttle) fueling is dicked-up. In fact, if you wanna' see how dicked-up it is, roll the throttle on (1/8 to 1/4) under compression braking. It gargles and warbles all kinds of unnatural noises. And, if you fill it with regular, the low-end issues are even more pronounced.

Other than my KLR, I have never owned a bike that I couldn't (first gear) drift the ass-end, in turns. Even my little DR had a little hooligan in its blood. This bike has NADA...NOTHING. I have a hard time believing that a 1200 doesn't have a little unlocked juice left in there.


I love this bike SO MUCH. A little hooliganability would just be icing on the cake...


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Old 12-17-2012, 09:15 PM   #14785
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Also, I guess I missed it somewhere in here, but which re-flash did you get done, on your bike, that you are comparing with the clutch-switch mod? How many miles did you have on each for comparison?

Dallara
Haven't done it yet, that's why I'm asking for comparison feedback from people who first did the clutch mod, then later did the reflash.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:17 PM   #14786
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I had the reflash before the clutch mod. Across the whole rpm range it smooths out flat spots
and made the bike feel perfectly jetted. I would do the reflash again.
Did the clutch mod make a difference after the reflash? I thought the reflash eliminated the 1st-3rd gear power restrictions that the clutch mod also gets rid of.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:15 PM   #14787
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I gotta' admit; These posts are putting a little happy in my pocket.

Ewwwww, could have lived without that visual.

With any luck, I'm gonna' try to get my ECU done, after the first of the year. I was waiting until I had a few thousand miles on the bike, so that I was thoroughly used to its behavior (and would immediately notice any difference).


My main question is this...

Does it do anything to the bike on the bottom-end?

Yes, cures the off idle stumble. Smooths out the entire throttle range. No surge or hiccups.


Anyone who rides this bike, for a few hours, will realize that the low-RPM (and partial-throttle) fueling is dicked-up. In fact, if you wanna' see how dicked-up it is, roll the throttle on (1/8 to 1/4) under compression braking. It gargles and warbles all kinds of unnatural noises. And, if you fill it with regular, the low-end issues are even more pronounced.

Other than my KLR, I have never owned a bike that I couldn't (first gear) drift the ass-end, in turns. Even my little DR had a little hooligan in its blood. This bike has NADA...NOTHING. I have a hard time believing that a 1200 doesn't have a little unlocked juice left in there.

I didn't feel there was a large perfomance increase. Some and dyno tests show HP increase.
I was hoping for a sea level feel at alttitude, didn't happen.


I love this bike SO MUCH. A little hooliganability would just be icing on the cake...


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You don't have to drift it to find a little hooligan.

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Old 12-18-2012, 01:25 AM   #14788
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I have been putting off any mods up till now as most of my riding is 2 up.

Can someone tell me (and I am sure it was posted before on page gazillion) but does the ECU flash remove T mode.

I find T mode useful in traffic especially when the boss is on the back.

The stumble and cutting out when blipping the throttle is starting to pi55 me off so now I am thinking about it.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:44 AM   #14789
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I have been putting off any mods up till now as most of my riding is 2 up.

Can someone tell me (and I am sure it was posted before on page gazillion) but does the ECU flash remove T mode.

I find T mode useful in traffic especially when the boss is on the back.

The stumble and cutting out when blipping the throttle is starting to pi55 me off so now I am thinking about it.
The clutch mod will get rid of the stumble off idle. If you add a switch you can use T (or S) mode when desired.

From what I understand, the Diapason reflash leaves T mode unchanged, while the ECU Unleashed reflash sharpens it up a bit but it's still less aggressive than S mode.
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:17 AM   #14790
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You don't have to drift it to find a little hooligan....

How much does the County charge you, for asphalt repair, when that front wheel touches down?

Thanks for the response, Pluric. Other than you and Allan, sometimes, after I post a question, I start to think that the whole thread has me on "ignore".


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I have been putting off any mods up till now as most of my riding is 2 up.

Can someone tell me (and I am sure it was posted before on page gazillion) but does the ECU flash remove T mode.

I find T mode useful in traffic especially when the boss is on the back.

The stumble and cutting out when blipping the throttle is starting to pi55 me off so now I am thinking about it.

I feel like the highlighted areas coulda' been me posting. I feel the same way.

Like you, I also find myself using the "T" mode. Most recently, San Antonio has been getting these morning drizzles. They soak the street, but don't really wash-off the oils. I absolutely love "T" mode (and all the other 'lectronic goodies) during those "oil slicks".

In regard to the throttle blipping, mine has cut-out completely (died), twice, while I did that. As you stated, it's kind of annoying...


EDIT- I forgot to post; When I spoke to the gentleman, at AF-1, he informed me that (after the reflash) "T" is still "T", and "S" is still "S". As has been posted, the reflash simply makes the bike run like it is perfectly fueled...


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