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Old 12-20-2012, 12:20 AM   #14836
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Stock for stock the S-10 lamps are very good in my opinion. Perhaps if you modified them, or supplemented them heavily, then they might seem better to you...

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I have to agree. Mine are very good, but then again I adjust them to suit the weight I carry and am more that happy with them. I would have appreciated a simpler way to do it though.
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:54 AM   #14837
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So you're trying to say you've owned 50 bikes that had better headlamps than the S-10?

Oooooooooooo-Kee Do-Key!

But let's just look at the ones you named...

So all the twin-H4-equipped bikes you thought were better - check.

But your BMW's were only better after higher-output bulbs, and then by the addition of PIAA 910's - check.

You TDM, Dakar and Djebel only became better after you modified them - check.

And the HD, which has supplemental lamps - check.

And you are comparing these to *stock* S-10 lamps?
Looks like you overlooked the part in my earlier post where I wrote "Maybe I've been spoiled by the HID and LED headlights on my other bikes."

Maybe you and Ray ride on well-lit roads, maybe you have eyes like cats or maybe you just don't ride aggressively at night on dark mountain roads like I do, but my opinion is the stock lights are pretty crap and I'm sticking to it...
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:32 AM   #14838
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Well all I can say is that the Strom was amazing after the candles in the SV650 and it was still better than the S10.

But, that has more to do with the beam pattern and the low beam performance. Ugly worked well in the Stoms case.

They weren't big and ugly for no reason.
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:27 AM   #14839
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Well all I can say is that the Strom was amazing after the candles in the SV650 and it was still better than the S10.

But, that has more to do with the beam pattern and the low beam performance. Ugly worked well in the Stoms case.

They weren't big and ugly for no reason.
While the S10 headlights are OK and good by older standards, I agree totally.
We've done the two 'Stroms and both put the S10 to shame with respect to headlights.
And my FJR headlights were definitely superior, especially if the road was not straight.

I think part of the difference in opinion is from where we live. In wide open spaces of Texas, light will get reflected and seem to travel farther. The roads are straighter, too.

Here on the mid-Atlantic coast, roads curve and are generally not as flat, so the beam pattern makes a HUGE difference. A well adjusted headlight makes less impact when the road itself is going up and down in front of you. Plus, we have all sorts of overhanging trees, and leafy roadside greenery that just absorbs light.

Rather than putting money into what I see as a marginal reflector that can not be changed, my answer was extra aftermarket light with the Rigid 90661.

Using other people's pix of the same light:




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Old 12-20-2012, 05:01 AM   #14840
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The discussion on lights is becoming sorta like an oil thread! So like a moth drawn to a flame, I will unwittingly put forth my input.

I find the stock lights on the S10 decent. They work. Can they be improved - Yes but IMO they work well enough for me.

Compared to my former Tiger 1050, they are a total revelation. I was scared to take my Tiger out after dark, they were so bad.
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Old 12-20-2012, 05:33 AM   #14841
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The discussion on lights is becoming sorta like an oil thread! So like a moth drawn to a flame, I will unwittingly put forth my input.

I find the stock lights on the S10 decent. They work. Can they be improved - Yes but IMO they work well enough for me.

Compared to my former Tiger 1050, they are a total revelation. I was scared to take my Tiger out after dark, they were so bad.
I too came off a Tiger 1050. Those lights were downright criminal. I flat out refused to ride the thing at night until I got some auxiliary lighting.

I have since transferred those lights to the Tenere, but I probably rode it for 5000 miles before I got around to it. I like the extra light, but it wasn't a must have.
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Old 12-20-2012, 06:01 AM   #14842
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I too came off a Tiger 1050. Those lights were downright criminal. I flat out refused to ride the thing at night until I got some auxiliary lighting.

I have since transferred those lights to the Tenere, but I probably rode it for 5000 miles before I got around to it. I like the extra light, but it wasn't a must have.
Ditto - I did exactly the same thing. I transferred my aux lights to my S10 too.
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Old 12-20-2012, 06:09 AM   #14843
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KLR light sucks too, I run high beam day and night and nobody has ever flashed me for high beams.
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Old 12-20-2012, 06:29 AM   #14844
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Lights!

I found my S10 stock headlites pointed too low. Make the adjustment and notice a big difference. Don't waste your time with the stock adjustment screws. These don't do much. Easiest way to lift the beams is to undo the 2 bolts under the headlite and slip in rubber hose washers. Use as many as required. I fould I only need 1 under each bolt. Now, you got lights and are easily seen and, yes they will flash you on High Beam.
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Old 12-20-2012, 07:42 AM   #14845
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Looks like you overlooked the part in my earlier post where I wrote "Maybe I've been spoiled by the HID and LED headlights on my other bikes."


No, I didn't miss it. Not at all.

Just pointing out that a lot of the bikes you say have such great lighting apparently were heavily modified and/or carried expensive supplemental lighting, and that perhaps if you showered your S-10's lights with as much money they might meet your *standards*...

I stand by my opinion that the S-10 has pretty damn good stock lighting - *IF* they are properly adjusted.



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Maybe you and Ray ride on well-lit roads...


You haven't been to South Texas much, have you?

You've got a better chance of seeing an honest politician in Washington, D.C. than seeing a well lit road down here...



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..maybe you have eyes like cats...


Guess maybe you missed the part about my being blind in one eye?

Oh, and I have to wear glasses for the other one to get decent vision. Like I said, it's why I'm very sensitive to having good lighting on my bikes, and why I added sometimes banks of supplemental lighting and did heavy lightng mods to some bikes.

As some have mentioned, there are bikes out there that have truly bad, almost criminally poor, lighting... Fortunately the Super Tenere is not one of them.




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...or maybe you just don't ride aggressively at night on dark mountain roads like I do...


Guess you missed the part about competing in endurance road races in the late '70's and early '80's? Much of the time in those was spent in those running in traffic all night, jockeying for position, making multiple passes, etc., etc., etc.... And all with *NO* track lighting in those days. Oh, and we won a lot...

You tell me which requires you to ride more "aggressively"...

And we have lots and lots of blind corner, up and over rises, heavily brushed and treed in, entirely unlit back roads all over Texas, like in the Texas Hill Country... And we have lots and lots of nighttime critters, too!



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...but my opinion is the stock lights are pretty crap and I'm sticking to it...


To each his own, but I still think you might want to try and do some experimenting with your adjustment. You might be surprised, and it takes less time than... Well... reading and replying on an internet forum!!!

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Old 12-20-2012, 08:39 AM   #14846
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I stand by my opinion that the S-10 has pretty damn good stock lighting - *IF* they are properly adjusted.
It really depends what you're comparing with. I only once rode behind a Super Tenere Rider in the dark, so my experience is very limited, but my Tiger 800 H4 stock headlights put out quite a bit more usable light.

The projector lenses cost quite a bit of light, a good reflector seems to put out much more light from the standard 55W bulbs. I've seen that with a V-Strom (excellent reflector type lamps), Tiger 800 (same) in comparison to for example the Tiger 1050 headlights which are criminal or said Super Tenere, which was okay, but really not excellent in any way ...

Also I have pretty good experience with the 65W Osram replacement bulbs that I had in my R1200GS. A good amount more light output, and no need for modifications or finding a spot to put a ballast.
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:30 AM   #14847
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.....you just don't ride aggressively at night on dark mountain roads like I do...
Always a super awesome idea. The darker and faster and twistier the better. Very manly stuff there.
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:46 AM   #14848
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You can pry my light bar from my cold dead fingers. I'm not giving it up!

Adjust what you want, change bulbs all day long, I guarantee you'll see these coming at you.
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:54 AM   #14849
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You can pry my light bar from my cold dead fingers. I'm not giving it up!
I'd just prefer a link, bullets are getting expensive.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:13 AM   #14850
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I'd just prefer a link, bullets are getting expensive.
Just in time for a Christmas sale:
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or Google:
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