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Old 01-31-2010, 11:57 AM   #61
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The Ranger is an ancient design,
I think this idea of "ancient design" is way overdone. Its a fucking pickup meant to get from a to b and haul stuff cheaply. It does that fine. It handles well and its reliable. It doesn't have all the interior doo-hickeys and not many airbags. And it can be had for a bargain.

That is exactly the essence of the old Japanese compacts for which you opine.

Anyway, it has been upgraded over the years. New motors and suspension.
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:08 PM   #62
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I went out to write a check for a new ranger a while back. They said you can't have the limited slip rear unless you get the bigger motor. All I wanted was a light duty hauler with good economy and a limited slip rear for a rear drive p/u. Can't get it. Toyotas were huge ugly and expensive.

I ended up with an 82 VW diesel pickup, 5 speed, great traction, and adequate hauling for my needs. Last tank was 42+ mpg around town. 500 mile range.

The ranger's best mpg with the 4 was like 27 mpg. These companies are going to have to do better if they want me money.


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Old 01-31-2010, 12:11 PM   #63
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I think this idea of "ancient design" is way overdone. Its a fucking pickup meant to get from a to b and haul stuff cheaply. It does that fine. It handles well and its reliable. It doesn't have all the interior doo-hickeys and not many airbags. And it can be had for a bargain.

That is exactly the essence of the old Japanese compacts for which you opine.

Anyway, it has been upgraded over the years. New motors and suspension.
I agree completely. However, I point it out merely to illustrate that it might be the reason why the Ranger doesn't sell well, not because people aren't interested in a small truck.
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:13 PM   #64
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I went out to write a check for a new ranger a while back. They said you can't have the limited slip rear unless you get the bigger motor. All I wanted was a light duty hauler with good economy and a limited slip rear for a rear drive p/u. Can't get it. Toyotas were huge ugly and expensive.

I ended up with an 82 VW diesel pickup, 5 speed, great traction, and adequate hauling for my needs. Last tank was 42+ mpg around town. 500 mile range.

The ranger's best mpg with the 4 was like 27 mpg. These companies are going to have to do better if they want me money.


I still fucking love those.
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:23 PM   #65
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I just wish we could get the 3.0 Diesel Toyato HiLux they have in Europe.




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Dimensions
Overall length (mm / in)5255 / 204.95
Overall width (mm / in)1835 / 71.57
Overall height (mm / in)1810 / 70.59
Wheel base (mm / in)3085 / 120.
Min ground clearance (mm / in)212 / 8.27
Min turning radius body (m / ft)6.7 / 21.98
Min turning radius tyre (m / ft)6.4 / 20.99
Fuel tank capacity (l / gal)80 / 17.6
Cargo area length (max) (mm / in)1547 / 60.33
Cargo area width (max) (mm / in)1515 / 59.09
Cargo area height (max) (mm / in)450 / 17.55
Loading height at rear (mm / in)850 / 33.15


Weight
Kerb weight total maximum (kg / lb)1935 / 4266.68
Gross vehicle weight total (kg / lb)3020 / 6659.1
Towing capacity (braked) (kg / lb)2250 / 4961.25
Towing capacity (unbraked) (kg / lb)750 / 1653.75
Roof bar maximum load (kg / lb)50 / 110.25


Performance
Max speed (km/h / mph)175 / 108.68
Acceleration (0 - 62mph) (secs)11.6


Economy Emission
Fuel economy combined (l/100km / mpg)8.9 / 31.74
CO2 mass emission (combined) (g/km)236


Engine Electrical
Bore (mm / in)96 / 3.74
Stroke (mm / in)103 / 4.02
Displacement (cc / in(cub))2982 / 181.9
Max output (kW)126
Engine speed for max output (rpm)3600
Max torque (Nm / lbft)360 / 265.32
Engine speed for max torque (rpm)1400
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:25 PM   #66
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There is also the new VW Amarok

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Old 01-31-2010, 12:28 PM   #67
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I just wish we could get the 3.0 Diesel Toyato HiLux they have in Europe.




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I don't want/ need a pickup, but I would buy that.
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:35 PM   #68
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I don't want/ need a pickup, but I would buy that.
I've spent time in one, its not much of a pickup. More of a people carrier.
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:43 PM   #69
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Am I the only person in the world who doesn't want to have to lift shit up to chest level to get it into the bed?

I'd rather have the '82 Volkswagen.

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I just wish we could get the 3.0 Diesel Toyato HiLux they have in Europe.



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Old 01-31-2010, 12:44 PM   #70
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I've spent time in one, its not much of a pickup. More of a people carrier.
I've got a decent people carrier; it's my car. But sometimes one needs to carry stuff too.
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Old 01-31-2010, 01:05 PM   #71
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I've had two 1986 Toyota Pickups - this was before you had to specify which one - they only made ONE.

It was big, but not huge, and both of them had the 22R engine - I had one that was an extra cab with the standard 22R and 4x4. I still regret selling it - the woman I sold it to is still driving it with over 300K on the clock.

My other 86 was the 22RT [turbo] 4x4 with the short cab and short box. Man, that was a gas to drive - small, light and the turbo would light up the rear wheels. I ended up giving that to my son, who totalled it less than a year later [I know, dumb for giving it to the kid] - it had 140K on it.

My needs from a truck were perfectly met by those trucks - I could carry a load of dirt or gravel, a load of fire wood, trips to the dump, etc. were all a regular feature. Not to mention furniture, etc.

Totally kills me that a decent 4x4 tacoma with under 200K on it is selling for $10K! Friend of mine bought a used crew cab tacoma that was $25K used! I nearly shat myself - sure it's a NICE interior and all, but great Grimpen Mire!
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Old 01-31-2010, 01:09 PM   #72
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Am I the only person in the world who doesn't want to have to lift shit up to chest level to get it into the bed?
Nope.

I helped the guy who bought my DR650 roll it up into the bed of his F150. Even with a 7 foot ramp it was a bit touch and go. Forget about reaching over the side of the bed to grab anything.

Now they have side steps and handles to get into the bed. That should have been the first damn hint: make the fucking thing lower!
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Old 01-31-2010, 01:12 PM   #73
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I've had two 1986 Toyota Pickups - this was before you had to specify which one - they only made ONE.

It was big, but not huge, and both of them had the 22R engine - I had one that was an extra cab with the standard 22R and 4x4. I still regret selling it - the woman I sold it to is still driving it with over 300K on the clock.

My other 86 was the 22RT [turbo] 4x4 with the short cab and short box. Man, that was a gas to drive - small, light and the turbo would light up the rear wheels. I ended up giving that to my son, who totalled it less than a year later [I know, dumb for giving it to the kid] - it had 140K on it.

My needs from a truck were perfectly met by those trucks - I could carry a load of dirt or gravel, a load of fire wood, trips to the dump, etc. were all a regular feature. Not to mention furniture, etc.

Totally kills me that a decent 4x4 tacoma with under 200K on it is selling for $10K! Friend of mine bought a used crew cab tacoma that was $25K used! I nearly shat myself - sure it's a NICE interior and all, but great Grimpen Mire!
I had two of those too. An '85 extracab, carbed 4x4, and a '87 standard cab, injected 4x4. The 85 was a great truck. Last I heard it had made it well past 250k with nothing major. The 87 was never the same after I made a high speed run back from the Mexican border to the Bay Area. It only had about 50k on it when I dumped it. The cabs were too small for me, and the payloads just too light. But the old carbed ones were pretty damn reliable.
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