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Old 02-14-2010, 02:51 PM   #196
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I'm pretty much a GPS geek. I have paper maps, but they are for planning/backup use. The Guia Roji represents reality fairly well in most places but pick up the latest version. I dont carry it anymore because its a little heavy a bulky for my kit.

So far the best all around GPS map I have seen of Mexico is the bicimaps. Although it will have plenty of errors as well, but its very, very useful.

for the most accurate maps of the areas you want to explore you will have to do your homework. That means getting on Google Earth, tracing out a path of the particular roads that you want to ride and converting it to .gpx track to load into your GPS. If there are high res sat images, its a dead nuts accurate method.

What I usually do is build a route in mapsource then hit, "view in google earth" to see how well it represents reality. If its a complete mess, I then just draw my own track and use that. If its close, I just go with it.

Trying to navigate dirt roads of Mexico with a paper map is a difficult operation at best since there are so many more dirt road than are depicted on the map, countless "Y" intersections that are not on the map as well. Oftentimes you will just have to keep going down a road and see where it goes, keeping a close eye on your fuel.

You will see roads that are supposed to go somewhere (on a map) in reality just abruptly end. You will see rugged two tracks that are not depicted on any map actually go somewhere you want to be. There are numerous ways to get yourself totally effed up.

go prepared....

Amigo, you have too much time on your hands. If you feel the urge to make some custom maps for us working motorcyclists, then I am sure that there is a willing audience.

Seriously, you have some interesting tips. Thanks!
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Old 02-14-2010, 02:54 PM   #197
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That's easily more than a liter

Thread hijacked by some tasty beer.

Yeah, you Mexico haters and crybabies stay the hell away from Mexico. We don't want you pussies drinking our beer, and then going home complaining that you got drunk. IT'S DANGEROUS DOWN HERE! Keep that in mind.
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Old 02-14-2010, 03:10 PM   #198
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BTW that wasn't Arte's first fill on that mug, either
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Old 02-14-2010, 03:20 PM   #199
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This thread has been jacked every which way but loose. I think it all started with the second post.
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Old 02-14-2010, 03:27 PM   #200
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Old 02-14-2010, 03:30 PM   #201
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Dunno about Jack but how dangerous can a country possibly be when it seems like there is a Church's Fried Chicken on every street corner.
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Old 02-14-2010, 04:33 PM   #202
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Trying to navigate dirt roads of Mexico with a paper map is a difficult operation at best since there are so many more dirt road than are depicted on the map, countless "Y" intersections that are not on the map as well. Oftentimes you will just have to keep going down a road and see where it goes, keeping a close eye on your fuel.

You will see roads that are supposed to go somewhere (on a map) in reality just abruptly end. You will see rugged two tracks that are not depicted on any map actually go somewhere you want to be. There are numerous ways to get yourself totally effed up.

go prepared....
I'm not trying tell tell you waht to do, but if you ride with GPS, you can set waypoints for certain landmarks: towns, intersections, bridges, mtn peaks, etc, and they can be hundreds of miles away, if need be - 'known' lats and longs. Then, while riding, you shoot/ask/display bearings to one or more of your known points. Shooting two widely separated points can tell you pretty quick if you're off or on track - bearing and distance.
But, yeah, sometimes you have to physically chase them down.

I don't ride with GPS but have used it quite a bit doing other off road stuff. It can be fun, but I also enjoy navigation as a mild challenge during moto trips. To me, that adds to my adventures...unless it cuts into beer:30 too far...
There are lots of ways to navigate.
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Old 02-14-2010, 04:38 PM   #203
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Guys,
Just read all 10 pages...I am tempted to tell you all to go fuck yourselves because this whole thread is so basically useless for real travelers...
Yeah, you're kinda right, but it's a fun thread.

There are, of course, other threads running with much more focused - and more discplined - posts that should give you better info.

Ride free, light, and safe, Bill.
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:24 PM   #204
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Well, I think it's been entertaining as hell !
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:29 PM   #205
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Guys,
Just read all 10 pages...I am tempted to tell you all to go fuck yourselves because this whole thread is so basically useless for real travelers...but I need your information.

And please don't just dismiss me if I offend you, I have ridden my motorcycle around the world almost twice and in the process did all of north, central and South America. I was in Columbia, in Bolivia, Venezuela and Argentina many times with the Comunista and the common people talking about the political changes which ultimately resulted in leftest governments coming to power in most of the countries in the last 5 years. I was also 3 weeks in Medellin, Columbia, I was 3 weeks in Nicaragua so please respect my questions(I also rode in across eastern Russia and into Mongolia and then to the Bikial and west to Europe, that is a dangerous area, I was often alone). I've been through hundreds of military checkpoints and through non-government Shining Path checks in the Andes just before they took some towns away from the government. And so on, I have seen plenty.

As a travel biker I always got a pass.
Still, right now Mexico is acting crazy.
Corrupt officials, rigged elections, illegial aliens and drugs mixed with poverty, all has created areas of chaos. But where?


I am not a city person, I live in northern Wisconsin. I am considering establishing a country residence, drivable from the USA, in Mexico because I am ready to retire. If you draw a straight line from Wisconsin to Mexico you will pass through the Austin area and cross the border at Del Rio, Tx. I am especially interested in this general area and the Big Bend area but on the Mexican side of the border and then west through northern Mexico toward Creel and the Sierra Madres. I am not interested in the 'tourist areas' or a week at the 'Big Sky Ranch'. I am looking for a beautiful landscape and finding out about the 'sky islands'.

If anyone has decent information or first hand experience about the safety in this northern Mexico area or has traveled the northern states east to west 100-300 miles south of the border and can speak about the safety they found, I would really appreciate an update. The Mexican people are involved in growing drugs and moving drugs into the USA and they are killing each other but exactly where and why it has been impossible for me to find out.

I just ordered good mapping that would take me from Matamoros all the way to the Baja...there are a ton of dirt roads and National parks.

Have any of you experts checked them out or traveled east and west 300 miles or less along the border on the Mexican side?
It's some wild country. Sparcely inhabited. Mountains, deserts and canyons.

Any ideas would help.
Or references to good threads?
Thank in advance.
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Communicating with you would likely be much easier over a cold beer and face-to-face because my impression of you after this post is that you're totally full of shit. Why are you pretending to ask for information when you spend the whole post trying to convince us that you're the expert and the rest of us should, well, go fuck ourselves?
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:35 PM   #206
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...you spend the whole post trying to convince us that you're the expert and the rest of us should, well, go fuck ourselves?
Well I don't about fucking myself, but I sure wish I could lick my balls like dogs do. No wonder they are so happy!
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:43 PM   #207
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Communicating with you would likely be much easier over a cold beer and face-to-face.....?
I would toss a few beers Bill's way.
I bet he has some stories to tell.

Helmet off, sweat dripping, stinky clothes,...
Cold cervezas, tired bones, that night...and then the next day.....
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:59 PM   #208
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A good song came on the radio: U2's "I still haven't found what I'm looking for".

It's a feeling, one inside, also a need.
From time to time, we all get bent and uptight.
Unwad your panties.

Thank god a mod hasn't rolled into this thread and told us how things are suppose to be....eh?

Tacos, trails, and whatever...roll on...
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Old 02-14-2010, 06:00 PM   #209
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I don't ride with GPS but have used it quite a bit doing other off road stuff. It can be fun, but I also enjoy navigation as a mild challenge during moto trips. To me, that adds to my adventures...unless it cuts into beer:30 too far...
There are lots of ways to navigate.
I hear what youre saying LR. The GPS takes away from the adventure, no doubt about it. I have 2 buddies that are so adamantly against GPS that they wont ride with me if I have one on my bike. They claim that unless we are tired, hungry, thirsty, almost out of gas, and lost, its just not an adventure.

I do see their point.....

However, having a GPS has enabled me to get into some pretty precarious situations as well... Hey follow me, I'm not lost, I have GPS.
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Old 02-14-2010, 06:26 PM   #210
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I'm warming up to GPS myself. My wife has one and sometimes I borrow if for my car while city driving.

However, on the bike I am still a map dude, and for remote stuff I get topographic maps...intersection/resection and other UTM type land navigation. My son says this is because of my Army days. He's in the Army now and says that all their vehicles now have GPS units in them, even though they are still trained in traditional land navigation techniques.

Whoa! Crashy, checking out your blog. Way cool!
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