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Old 12-03-2011, 07:01 AM   #5311
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Craigslist if full of cheap Rosseta Stone stuff . Immersion is the absolute best but the use it or lose it thing still applies.
There is a trick I don't think enough people use.

I sponsor a kid in Coatzacoalcos and another in Tuxtla Gutierrez via Compassion. Instead of writing in english and having it translated, I write them in spanish. Putting everyday phrases into spanish means quickly enough you have a true foundation of the language. In other words, for your own practical applications, think of the common, everyday things you do - every day, and ask yourself to try to translate these simple tasks into spanish. Build with the everyday, common things, because it's these experiences that literally translate all over the world.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:04 AM   #5312
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This is spot on. As a 66 yrs at the time Spanish student in Oaxaca, I had a great time but it was not worth it language wise for me. I'm a retired educator and the instruction was tops.I formerly evaluated teachers on the job. Like Trice says you nee the basics before you go to class in any situation to gain much. Also, w/o continued use you'll lose what you gained . Craigslist if full of cheap Rosseta Stone stuff . Immersion is the absolute best but the use it or lose it thing still applies. My hearing loss also makes it hard to hear the little things that matter lots in Spanish. There is no doubt in my mind(well documented too!) that age is a big factor in learning language. Maybe never too late but not nearly so easy either.

Interesting. You are a decade ahead of me and I already have some of those issues, like not being able to hear worth a damn. Too many rock concerts and too many miles in noisy helmets I guess.

I am firmly convinced that some folks just don't have the gene for a second language. I have tried to learn Latin, French, and Spanish over the years and have had little luck with any of them.

I really, really wish that my Spanish language skills were better but it is what it is. I am probably a pretty good example that you don't have to know Spanish to have a good time in Mexico, but 1) it certainly helps, 2) any attempt to try even lousy Spanish is considered to be a courtesy so you need to give it a try, and 3) for safety sake I'd suggest to folks that they at least try to learn to read the road signs.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:09 AM   #5313
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I began my journey to sound induced hearing loss when I was in the 5th grade & shooting on a rifle team. I have tried real hard to lose the rest of it over many years & now protect the remains with an all out effort. Make no mistake, languages become more difficult with age! I don't even understand gringos that talk fast & all Spanish seems to come that way!
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:11 AM   #5314
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You need a passport or you may not get back into the great U.S. of A.

Dirty little secret, but officially the Border Patrol will tell you that 2 pieces of US issued photo ID will do it. I crossed at Laredo Bridge #1 a few months ago without my passport (left it in the RV). The guy looked at my driver's license, looked at the computer, asked me for my history (he could probably tell that I crossed regularly at Progreso and Hildalgo/Reynosa) and just waved me through.

With that said and done I wouldn't advise a first time person to leave the USA without a passport, but it's reassuring to know that you won't necessarily get stuck at the border if you forget your passport.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:13 AM   #5315
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I don't even understand gringos that talk fast & all Spanish seems to come that way!


Damned young 'uns
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:14 AM   #5316
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I began my journey to sound induced hearing loss when I was in the 5th grade & shooting on a rifle team. I have tried real hard to lose the rest of it over many years & now protect the remains with an all out effort. Make no mistake, languages become more difficult with age! I don't even understand gringos that talk fast & all Spanish seems to come that way!
May I suggest starting with YouTube videos of Mexican weather girls and go from there
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:15 AM   #5317
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^ You may not learn a ton of spanish but you'll have fun trying
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:16 AM   #5318
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Two of the best "instructors" are Mayte Carranco and Jackie Guerrido
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:17 AM   #5319
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Riding to Guanajuato on Dec 23, leaving before sunrise.

route?

Probably Reynosa-Cd Victoria-Slp-Gto. Probably Reynosa-Saltillo-Slp-Gto. not decided yet.

Anyone wanting to ride along this is the plan: Gas-pee-gas-pee. oh and some tacos on the road


Arte, I expect to be sitting here, watching an oil well during that time but they have a habit of cutting us loose with no notice so we never know from day to day how long we will be some place.

If I find myself back in town during that time I'll definitely be interested in doing some riding.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:47 AM   #5320
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Will be dining at the Luling City Market at 11 AM, come out for a cerveza
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Old 12-03-2011, 08:54 AM   #5321
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Along these lines, I am a US citizen and it always pisses me off when I come in to the US on a plane and at the immigration office in the Airport I have to provide them a physical address where I will be staying. For me it's usually a hotel somewhere and it's a PITA the have that information on hand. What if I told them I plan to stay on a park bench in down town San Franciso? Am I still allowed back in my country? I've tested them before and the just wont let me back in without provinding an address! Well, I guess they are just doing their job?
There's quite a bit of idiocy "out there", in general, it is pretty much futile to resist. They'll let you go after awhile, I suspect. What do they do to someone that tells them he will be traveling and picking a motel wherever the night catches him. Reminds me of a kid that was refusing to rent me a steam cleaner unless I provided two phone numbers. I made one up and was on my way.

This is not unlike left lane lounge lizards, it's not worth getting irritated over them. Today it's this one tomorrow it's that one. Just go around them like a leaf traveling down the stream and enjoy the ride/life.

p.s. I really enjoy your geology posts.
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:39 AM   #5322
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I know what the will say because I have tried it. "At the back of the room is a computer, get on line and find the address of where you are staying and then get back in line"



I've noticed that when it comes to Geology there are only 2 different kinds of people, Those that find it fascinating and cant get enough, and those that don't give a rats ass about rocks. I think Geology an MC riding make a good combo. Whether it is road cuts or mountains, a lot of what you are seeing as you ride is geology and it is fun to understand some of it. When you come down we can do a Roadside Geology of Mexico Field trip.
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:45 AM   #5323
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I know what the will say because I have tried it. "At the back of the room is a computer, get on line and find the address of where you are staying and then get back in line"



I've noticed that when it comes to Geology there are only 2 different kinds of people, Those that find it fascinating and cant get enough, and those that don't give a rats ass about rocks. I think Geology an MC riding make a good combo. Whether it is road cuts or mountains, a lot of what you are seeing as you ride is geology and it is fun to understand some of it. When you come down we can do a Roadside Geology of Mexico Field trip.
I'd love to join that ride
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Old 12-03-2011, 10:28 AM   #5324
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One of the weirdest guys I know used to teach Geology. I think he's got rocks in his head. Just my 2cts....

BTW, our local libraries are filled to the gizzard with Spanish language courses so I can sample a number of them at no cost. I may have to do that since I'm basically a cheap bastard.

I've been smiling at some of the posts regarding hearing losses, etc. That's me to a T, been dealing with really loud tennitus all my life compounded with years of shooting loud'nboomers and riding without ear plugs. I sort of read lips but only in English as long as it's not too fast. Other "English" speaking folks - like Irish for instance - can shut me down so my skills are limited. Spanish seems to be a mystery.

The bottom line though is damn near everyone I meet seems to accept that and either launch into the "treat him like the old duffer he is" or if herself is with me they talk directly to her. I think for most people it's easier to move me along through whatever the process is rather than have to repeat everything 4 times. All told it's not such a bad system and they even carry groceries out for me. I love that part especially if I happen to be on the Ninja.

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Old 12-03-2011, 12:37 PM   #5325
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SR, when are you coming for the videos? Since you weren't home for the delivery.
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