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Old 12-12-2011, 07:30 PM   #5506
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Old 12-12-2011, 07:31 PM   #5507
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Do you plan to tour the world or teach school in Acapulco?
good point... there's too much world to see without going into unstable regions.
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:29 PM   #5508
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Do you plan to tour the world or teach school in Acapulco?
This.

There are many tragic stories of innocents being caught up in the criminal violence of Mexico these days. My heart goes out to them all. Their lives are so much more difficult than ours here in the USA and now they must suffer these things.

However, for adventure travelers it is, IMHO, a matter of risk profile and how current events relate to one's profile. And they don't, from what I can tell. But we all need to keep a close watch on events down south. It's an ever-changing landscape WRT to crime and violence.
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:03 PM   #5509
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http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...51&postcount=7

If you need further convincing, read this single post by Nata Harli, if not the entire thread that it is embedded in
Nata Harli thought Medjet gave frequent flyer points Just joking , Ken

IIRC the m/cycle extraction is good in MX but not further south as Nata Harli discovered when he biffed in Guatemala
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:15 PM   #5510
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San Diego to Cabo a short break and Cabo to CR

So I plan to ride from Jan 12th or 13th from SanDiego to Cabo. Store my bike for two weeks and then I have a month off to go to CR. I have only been excited until today. It seems like for two days I have been bombarded with horror stories. they haven't bothered me until now. So I know this is a vague question that opens the door for the discussion that has been had on this website many times already but...

Should I be concerned?

I am aware but is there more things happening that should make me re-think this?

Anyone doing Baja around that time and want to join up off and on?

IS there anyone currently in those areas that can give me some real and accurate input? Not speculation and here say?

I know I shouldn't let the HATERS get to me but it happens sometimes.

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Old 12-13-2011, 12:50 AM   #5511
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Smitty, once you get South of Ensenada, Baja is both safer and more fun than Sandy Eggo. I will be in mainland Mexico from the 21st until sometime after New Year when I plan to exit into Guatemala. There are many ways to die in Mexico on a motorcycle. The narco violence does not even register on the threat radar compared with all of the other ways, most of which are related to the Mexican attitude towards road safety. You will need to be more vigilant than in the US, but only because of topes, donkeys, barrachos, potholes, cows, horses, dogs, kids, trucks, especially doubles, and all of the other road hazards that a less anal society has to offer. But therein lies the adventure.
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Old 12-13-2011, 09:53 AM   #5512
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Do you plan to tour the world or teach school in Acapulco?

I was thinking the same thing.

When I was a kid in grade school my dad took a job in Cincinnati, which meant that we had to move away from the little Kentucky town that I grew up in. Damn near everyone in town thought that we'd get killed within 6 months because everyone in Danville, KY knew that Cincinnati was a death trap.

Likewise, when you talk about motorcycle touring to total strangers you get all sorts of folks coming out of the woodwork that talk about how So-and-so got killed on a motorcycle just last week in the most horrible manner. Ride a motorcycle from Baltimore to Miami? Only the totally foolhardy do that.

Regarding the teaching deaths in Acapulco:

#1. Yeah. None of us are going there to teach school. There is no doubt that there has been extortion of school teachers but the moral of that first article is that copycats have tried to same approach to raise money and have been rebuffed.

#2. Many of those "innocents" aren't as innocent as their families want you to believe, and many people are in denial about their relative's involvement. The cartels are killing off the lookouts left and right and it's very tempting for someone to have some very minor (in their minds) involvement with a cartel. The penalty is death if either the military or the rival cartels catch these people.

As motorcycle tourists with (hopefully) enough common sense not to get involved in any way our risk is minimal.

Can we be at the wrong place at the wrong time (the casino deaths in Monterrey come to mind right now)? Sure. But US news today is talking about the guy that started randomly shooting on a West Hollywood street, and I am pretty sure that was about 2 blocks from where an old girlfriend of mine works.

Moral of the story is that, for a tourist, your risk in Mexico is comparable to your risk in the States.
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:03 AM   #5513
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good point... there's too much world to see without going into unstable regions.

Are you trying to tell us that all of Mexico is an unstable region, or just Acapulco?

I see that you are from Oklahoma. Frankly, if I walked around Manhattan I'll bet that if I talked to 10 people I could find 5 that think that Oklahoma is a dangerous place to visit and full of nothing but unstable rednecks.

If you have read this thread, and discounted the advice of the guys here that live and travel extensively in Mexico, and since you presumably have zero or much less experience riding in Mexico than the others, and you have now pronounced that you don't want to ride where it's "unstable" ... well, I agree with you. You aren't cut out to travel in Mexico.

Disney in Orlando is nice this time of year. Seriously. And they have their own sanitized version of Key West for people who feel uncomfortable in the real KW.

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Old 12-13-2011, 10:14 AM   #5514
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That Acapulco deal is months old.
Stale news, move along, nothing to see. Things have improved remarkably in Acapulco, lately.
If I had a peso for every gringo that has passed through here and said, "Hey, Mexico is great, I am glad I didn't listen to everyone who has never been here tell me how bad it is", I would have...well...some pesos!
Seriously, don't come to Mexico if you are going to be riding thinking someone is going to sever your head around the next corner, jump out and knife you at a set of topes, poison your drink and take nasty pictures of you with dwarfs and animals, harvest your organ or organs, kidnap you and sell your bike piece by piece on todito punto com, chase you to the border at 100mph, force you to use some ancient fighting art, etc..etc...
There is so much complete and utter BS floating around about the cartels and the violence and the insecurity and everything that is supposedly happening it is ridiculous. I am still living here and if I believed all the crap that is spewed I would have built a panic room in the casa and wouldn't emerge until I was sure I wouldn't see my shadow.
This latest stuff posted on this thread is as useless as the Don/Dan Diego nonsense.

In case anyone cares, the road is now paved (beautiful job by the Federal government by the way) from Manual Gonzalez (a town with a fascinating story) through to Mataluca. Makes the connection to Huatusco mucho mas rapido, but don't ride it alone! You might end up actually enjoying yourself and wondering why you listened to all the gringo experts and that would be terrible, for sure a fate worse than anything you could imagine!

Come to Mexico and you will get:
Acquainted with friendly and warm people
An exposure to another language (dialects if you are lucky and know where to go), culture(s), foods, fun, breathtaking scenery, impossible situations resolved without anyone batting an eye

Come to Mexico and you won't get:
Robbed on the highway by AK-47 toting narco bad asses that only skilled martial artists or ex-Special Forces people can handle
Offered a job to teach in the state schools in Guerrero
Led down a dark alley to a donkey show, even though your cousin's neighbor swears he was!
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:20 AM   #5515
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Aha!
The "casino deaths" in Monterrey.
Who here is old enough to remember the famous fire in Caeser's Palace in Vegas that saw the codebooks for hotel construction and safety re-written?

If it can happen in Vegas, for gawd's sake stay the hell out of Vegas because if you go there you will perish!

I know the point that Pirate was making and he made it solid, it is a question of wrong place and wrong time and nothing more. Same as the Caeser's fire was.
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:56 AM   #5516
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... and take nasty pictures of you with dwarfs and animals ...
Hell, I had my set of photos framed. And I still send Christmas cards to my favorite dwarf female wrestler.
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Old 12-13-2011, 11:58 AM   #5517
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Are you trying to tell us that all of Mexico is an unstable region, or just Acapulco?

I see that you are from Oklahoma. Frankly, if I walked around Manhattan I'll bet that if I talked to 10 people I could find 5 that think that Oklahoma is a dangerous place to visit and full of nothing but unstable rednecks.

If you have read this thread, and discounted the advice of the guys here that live and travel extensively in Mexico, and since you presumably have zero or much less experience riding in Mexico than the others, and you have now pronounced that you don't want to ride where it's "unstable" ... well, I agree with you. You aren't cut out to travel in Mexico.

Disney in Orlando is nice this time of year. Seriously. And they have their own sanitized version of Key West for people who feel uncomfortable in the real KW.
have not read this entire thread ... have read plenty of feedback from folks down south. I'm also comparing notes from Mexican folks that's been there. under no dis-illusions that all of Mexico is unsafe. just like anywhere else, there's places to visit and not.

the world is HUGE... why in the world should I visit UN-stable regions? South America has not always been this way. according to my Mexican friends, trouble escalated about 5-6 years ago after the crack down against cartels started. since then the violence has just grown.

this falls along with why should I visit Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan, when there's so much world to see without additional dangers of being in an unstable region.

why not ship your bike to Australia? don't get me wrong, would dearly love to tour South America. just that the time is not right for me.
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Old 12-13-2011, 12:15 PM   #5518
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the world is HUGE... why in the world should I visit UN-stable regions? South America has not always been this way. according to my Mexican friends, trouble escalated about 5-6 years ago after the crack down against cartels started. since then the violence has just grown.
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Your story is exactly like what you outlined, a FOAF.
Friend of a friend type.
The trouble didn't escalate 5 to 6 years ago, unless maybe they are buddies of AMLO. LOL!
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Old 12-13-2011, 12:35 PM   #5519
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"...poison your drink and take nasty pictures of you with dwarfs and animals,..."

Nobody ever told me about this one.







Guess that's why I've been missing out.

On a different note, I'd quit my job TODAY if I could find a company that would let me relocate to almost any city in Mexico and work my job from there.
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Old 12-13-2011, 12:42 PM   #5520
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The pictures are taken after the people dress up like clowns and steal your kidney.

Now does it ring a bell?

Then they write on the bathroom mirror in lipstick that you should not ride a motorcycle through Mexico while they are flushing baby alligators down the toilet and loading a hollowed out cactus with tarantulas! C'mon! It must be true!
I "saw it on the radio" as the old saying goes. LOL!
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