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Old 02-28-2012, 06:14 PM   #6916
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I can't help but wonder at the response of the Park Service/Border Patrol to the killing of a ranger on patrol who was chasing two drug runners. It seems like a bit of overkill on some level to Restrict half the park, and send out snipers and armed guards to protect a nature walk, but then maybe that's just me. Either way It's a beautiful corner of the world.

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Old 02-28-2012, 07:24 PM   #6917
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It was reported on the radio this AM that Carnival Cruises has suspended its natural history bus tours out of Vallarta because a bus carrying some of their passengers was robbed by armed men with hoods on their heads. Anyone know anything about this, like where and when it happened? I haven't seen anything from any ADV Ride Reports.
Go back a few posts. We already discussed this
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:35 AM   #6918
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Got the revenge in Saltillo, does that make Mexico Dangerous
p---ooops !!! NO fun !
That is why I keep recommending this stuff http://www.crucell.com/Products/Dukoral.
I have been using it now for about 8 years and have never in that time had a problem with "the revenge "in Mexico or Central America. It does indeed work against travellers diarrhea. For folks with very sensitive systems it may still allow some tummy rumbles but it prevents the raging illness that would otherwise present. It is too late for you now Bob, but do try it before the next trip. It has to be taken at least 6 days before risk exposure.(unpaid testimonial!)
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:11 PM   #6919
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I suspect Dukoral is not available in the U.S.
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:48 PM   #6920
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I suspect Dukoral is not available in the U.S.

Did a Google on this and that seems to be the case. Sold in Canada, however.

I didn't see where or if Dukoral can be purchased in Mexico, but by then it's probably too late any way.

Someone on one of the forums said that Cipro could be purchased in Mexico. Advice here is worth slightly more than what you pay for it (i.e. nothing) but when I get antibiotics in Mexico they always give me Amoxicilin. There used to be some sort of moratorium with the US that specifically prohibited bringing Cipro back into the USA, but that may have expired (it was pretty obscure 2-3 years ago and I can't find it now). Mexico City passed a law about a year ago that prohibited antibiotic sales without a prescription and a pharmacist that I talked to in Progreso a year ago told me they expect that to be nationwide someday, but for now you can still buy antibiotics at the border pharmacies.
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Old 02-29-2012, 04:08 PM   #6921
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Did a Google on this and that seems to be the case. Sold in Canada, however.

I didn't see where or if Dukoral can be purchased in Mexico, but by then it's probably too late any way.

Someone on one of the forums said that Cipro could be purchased in Mexico. Advice here is worth slightly more than what you pay for it (i.e. nothing) but when I get antibiotics in Mexico they always give me Amoxicilin. There used to be some sort of moratorium with the US that specifically prohibited bringing Cipro back into the USA, but that may have expired (it was pretty obscure 2-3 years ago and I can't find it now). Mexico City passed a law about a year ago that prohibited antibiotic sales without a prescription and a pharmacist that I talked to in Progreso a year ago told me they expect that to be nationwide someday, but for now you can still buy antibiotics at the border pharmacies.
I've never tried a border pharmacy but last Sept I couldn't get antibiotics in Palenque without a perscription. I was surprised because I had always heard you could get whatever you needed at a Mexican pharmacy.
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Old 02-29-2012, 04:29 PM   #6922
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I've never tried a border pharmacy but last Sept I couldn't get antibiotics in Palenque without a perscription. I was surprised because I had always heard you could get whatever you needed at a Mexican pharmacy.

Bummer.

I think that you still can antibiotics in Progreso and Nuevo Laredo, but you know how that goes.

The dodge in Tijuana for some drugs used to be that the pharmacy had someone on site who would stand there writing prescriptions. The next time I'd ask the clerk/technician if he knew where you could get a prescription and go from there.

Pharmacies around the border are plentiful and competitive. They will find a way to sell it to you.
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Old 02-29-2012, 04:31 PM   #6923
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Last day I was home Jan 15 you could still buy Cipro, Amoxicililin, & other Antibiotics + all the E.D. Pills... & pain killers.
That was in Mazatlan....
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Old 02-29-2012, 04:44 PM   #6924
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Did I hear someone say "Thank God you can still buy the E.D. stuff?"

Supposedly the Tijuana cops used to stop the whore mongers going to the Zona Norte and bust them if they had Viagra without a prescription. Don't know if that is an urban legend, dumb people paying the Stupid Gringo Tax, or a local ordinance (just like the USA some towns have local laws that surprise folks in other parts of Mexico).

Moral of the story: If in doubt, buy your ED meds by the pill, pop them in your mouth at the farmicia, and proudly walk down the street with a stiff one in your shorts.
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Old 02-29-2012, 05:35 PM   #6925
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I get a prescription of Cipro from my physician anytime I travel south of the border. Diarrhea in your sleep is no fun.....
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Old 02-29-2012, 05:40 PM   #6926
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Did a Google on this and that seems to be the case. Sold in Canada, however.

I didn't see where or if Dukoral can be purchased in Mexico, but by then it's probably too late any way.

Guess I could always make a run to Windsor.

I hear they have a good ballet there.
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Old 03-01-2012, 04:16 AM   #6927
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Most pharmacies abide by the new law about sales of antibiotics. However, about 50% of the pharmacies have a doctor on site who will see you for about $30 pesos ($2.50 US or so) and happily write you a script after a little chat about what you need it for and that you are responsible in self-medication etc... That is a charade, they just want to get your money but want you to think you are getting your money's worth.
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:59 PM   #6928
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Dukoral is not an antibiotic though. It is an oral vaccine which gives a body resistance to the bad bacteria
.I thought it would be readily available in all modern civilized progressive countries( )and I did not know it was not available in the USA . Too bad .
Many folks talk about lomotil and ciprio for Mexico but wandering around the pharmacy counters of stores like Chedaui , Aurrera, Soriana and Simi pharmacies I have not yet found any of these on shelves for over the counter medications sales for TD (= travellers diarrhea).
Actually have spoken to some folks from the US who said they preferred not to use any of these types of medicines on the premise that they were un-natural and unhealthy and that they would rather let their body handle and "c leanse" the situation naturally if they should run unto the problem . Good luck! Q uite cleansing to have it running down into your riding boots, eh?
TD is not just a question of having a "loose bm" and needing to go to the toilet a few times more often. If you get the real thing you will be in absolute misery with explosive uncontrollable diarrhea at the most inconvenient times , full body chills,sweats, aches , nausea and general misery .You will feel in no shape to be riding. And you will be dehydrating rapidly.
The alternative I would choose if no Dukoral was to be had before the trip would be to carry loperamide hydrochloride caplets (aka by brand name Imodium and store brand generic of the same chemical) . This stuff works well after you get a case of the trots but you will be sick for a day until it kicks in. Now loperamide HCl is ,I think , a strong antibiotic. It kills off all the bacteria in your gut so I think it should be avoided if one has alrady taken Dukoral .
Long ago I had a TD ( not ED !!!) event in El SAlvador and wound up taking a single dose of some kind of medication which seemed to do the trick .It was sold at a local market stall and it could have beeen a veterinary strength item ,forgot the name .You can see a lot of medicine sold that way at mercados, vendors selling actual brand pills and tablets in individual blister packs of one or two . Maybe they got old past due date stuff from the US?? .
The best advice as always is to observe good hygiene, wash hands often especially before eating or picking your teeth.Watch what you eat and where you eat .Peel it , wash it ,cook it or forget it.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:07 PM   #6929
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Q uite cleansing to have it running down into your riding boots, eh?
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:46 PM   #6930
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Dukoral is a Swedish vaccine meant to treat cholera primarily and it just so happens to be effective against TD also. A little bit pricey at $40 a pop and the first time you need 2 doses taken between 1 and 6 weeks apart with the 2nd being a week before your "trip". Single booster doses may work if your last dose was less than 5 years. This basically contains dead Cholera and Cholera toxins which is why it also works for TD. Cholera toxins are very similar to E.Coli toxins. This can make you sick with the very symptoms you are trying to avoid. Not approved for use in the US.




Shanchol is another vaccine for Cholera prevention. Single dose and easier to take and the cost in India is under $10, it's just started coming into use by WHO and the UN. Produced in India my understanding is it was financed by the Gates foundation. Due to the lack of Cholera in the US I don't believe there would be much hurry to get this drug thru trials and into the market here.


Both of these only give you maybe 60% to 80% protection and there are other things that can and will make you sick so.........
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