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Old 05-06-2012, 02:58 PM   #7861
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This just sounds fishy
Yup.

Anybody waste any time on that website? If you haven't, don't.
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Old 05-06-2012, 03:21 PM   #7862
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This is the view I hold.

Unless and until that message becomes "bring your Gringo ass to Mexico and we'll whack you as soon as you cross the borderline", in my view, and I may be the only one holding it, nothing at all has changed vis a vis the risk of travel in Mexico for the vagabond motorcyclist.
No Trice you are not the only one, myself and that of my sunday riding "gang" are right there with you on that!!!
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Old 05-06-2012, 03:34 PM   #7863
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They had an irrational fear that the second they crossed the border they were likely to get shot. They didnt get kidnapped, shot at, nor get robbed at every street corner. They have been back numerous times since then and dont understand what everyone is so afraid of. Living in fear is a very debilitating thing.
I have been through this same thing several times with friends from the upper 49.... & they too don't understand what all the fuss was about!!!
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:21 PM   #7864
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:43 PM   #7865
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Today

Any way had a great day thanks to the buddys I played with.... and to the GS it was 68F this morning River Road is always fun specially because the bikini colors
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:53 PM   #7866
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I was out riding all day in western Durango.

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Why is Mexico seemingly incapable of laying out a smooth surface on a bridge? I remember the Pharr bridge was like this, smooth as butter on the US side until you hit the halfway mark and then it was like riding a pogo stick.
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Old 05-06-2012, 06:07 PM   #7867
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They didn't mean for it to be a bridge.
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Old 05-06-2012, 06:24 PM   #7868
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Why is Mexico seemingly incapable of laying out a smooth surface on a bridge? I remember the Pharr bridge was like this, smooth as butter on the US side until you hit the halfway mark and then it was like riding a pogo stick.
It's just an illusion if you see closely you wont see it
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Old 05-06-2012, 07:33 PM   #7869
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Debate

Mexico's presidential candidates tv debate as I type and on Galavision at 10pm central lot,s of fun


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Old 05-06-2012, 07:44 PM   #7870
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:57 PM   #7871
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Why is Mexico seemingly incapable of laying out a smooth surface on a bridge? I remember the Pharr bridge was like this, smooth as butter on the US side until you hit the halfway mark and then it was like riding a pogo stick.
Poor soil compaction......
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Old 05-06-2012, 09:38 PM   #7872
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This is the view I hold.

Unless and until that message becomes "bring your Gringo ass to Mexico and we'll whack you as soon as you cross the borderline", in my view, and I may be the only one holding it, nothing at all has changed vis a vis the risk of travel in Mexico for the vagabond motorcyclist.

Absolutely, one can never get used to viewing these abhorrent news reports of hanging bodies and heads in ice chests, but the approach I take is to take is to judge the violence climate in the context of who is whacking who and why.

Others can and do take a different approach and/or might use the Nuevo Laredo incident as a "last straw" marker,....it doesn't matter because each rider's conclusion is right for them and nobody can be faulted for the view they adopt. One side or the other is not "nuts" for applying their personal formula of risk managment to international travel. What would be nuts would be not being comfortable traveling in Mexico and being talked into it.
Yup. That's about it.
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Old 05-06-2012, 10:06 PM   #7873
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It was a good debate all full of shet

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Old 05-06-2012, 10:37 PM   #7874
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I dont completely agree with that. I have talked a few buddies into riding in Mexico and they were very uncomfortable with it, but after all my prodding and good natured jabs, decided to check their fear and go see for themselves. They had an irrational fear that the second they crossed the border they were likely to get shot. They didnt get kidnapped, shot at, nor get robbed at every street corner. They have been back numerous times since then and dont understand what everyone is so afraid of.

Living in fear is a very debilitating thing.
Radioman and Idahosam are a good example of this. Sam will forever be grateful to Mark for talking him into making their trip together.
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:30 AM   #7875
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Yup.

Anybody waste any time on that website? If you haven't, don't.
Having not much else to do here, I went against your advice and spent some time reading.

I've come away with a couple of observations.

1. A lot of these people could have died from the same thing anywhere in the world.

It is not Mexico's fault that you had a heart attack while swimming in the hotel pool / slipped on wet tile from the shower you just took / drank too much, passed out and smacked your head / got bit by a shark while surfing.

2. The lack of personal responsibility displayed is astounding.

It is not Mexico's fault that you decided to go swimming in the OCEAN and got caught in a rip tide. (blame the moon perhaps?)

Stop relying on everyone else to protect you.

3. Gravity always wins.

Look. It's a simple rule. If you are more than 3 feet above the ground, stay away from ledges. This is especially true if you have been drinking. Yes, I've read that the hotels in Mexico don't build balcony railings to US standards. HEY! Guess what? That's because the hotel is GASP ..... in Mexico.

4. Yes, some loss of life might have been caused by poor maintenance, lack of staff training, etc. But this goes back to #1....

The loss of human life is always sad, but personally, I think a lot of these people would still be alive if they had simply used common sense and/or been more aware of their surroundings and their own abilities.


For the record, I've never been to Mexico (well ok, once when I was like 4 we went to TJ...) but I have no qualms about going, and am planning a trip there when I leave here. And a LOT of my decision to go is based on what I read on this site and the trip reports. .....from the people that have actually put boots on ground so to speak. Yes, some of my friends think I'm nuts for wanting to go south of the border, but they thought I was nuts when I told them I was going to work in Iraq too.

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