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Old 11-23-2012, 10:42 AM   #10951
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About the drinking water question
Another approach is to carry on your bike a plastic container, like a big 2L softdrink bottle you have emptied and also have with you a very small bottle of chlorine laundry bleach. Fill the bottle from any of the tapwater sources and then add 2 drops of bleach for each liter.
The tapwater may already be treated , and it is a lot better bet than rainbarrels or rivers, the likelihood of the tapwater containing no major hazards is a good starting point. .Wait 30 minutes before using. The bleach will kill off any post-mains bacterial contamination , if any was there.
Use this easy and cheap to replenesh supply for drinking if you get stuck along the roadside, to wash off any fresh fruit and for brushing teeth.
I use this method and slake my thirst with it if needed but get most of my water intake from a good dose of coffeee , fruit juice and purified restaurant supplied water plus during the day I stop off for a couple of liters of o.j., or low-fat milk, or cold bottled mineral water. I get the satisfaction of not adding too much to the mountain of plastic bottle waste
I trained myself to be somewhat like a camel - drink a lot at one time and carry on for an hour or two or threeAnd I avoid hard exertion in high temperatures . None of this constantly sipping a swig every few minutes .The body will let you know in plenty of time that you are getting thirsty so do something about it at that time.
The story about the olden days when people could safely drink out of creeks and lakes is a myth. Those sources have always been prone to causing intestinal upsets and worse. Canadian northern waters and mountain streams inhabited by all kinds of wildlife have always carried the parasites shed by thos e inhabitants- think of beaver fever, raccoon roundworm and others dropped by elk and moose pooping in the water. I think the people were blissfully ignorant about the possible diseases , were lucky and when they did get sick they failed to make a connection.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:50 AM   #10952
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That's Sjoerd with the dark glasses in the bottom pic, I am positive!
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:01 AM   #10953
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- think of beaver fever
I suffer from that
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:06 AM   #10954
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No, Trice, he's not talking about that little Canadian kid from Stratford that is on your MP3 player.
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:13 AM   #10955
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slake my thirst
There's a phrase you don't see every day
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:56 PM   #10956
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There's a phrase you don't see every day
"...Moonshine, moonshine to slake the devil's thirst, The law they swore they'd get him but the devil got him first"

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Old 11-23-2012, 03:17 PM   #10957
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Acid

I read some research a while back that indicated that high levels of stomach acid were genetically selected in populations that had bad food and bad water. The higher acid content killed a lot of the bacteria that caused disease and killed young people before they could reproduce.
Before I started taking acid reducers like Prevacid, I could eat anything anywhere without getting sick, even when other people eating the same stuff did. That is also when I used to drink from streams in the marmot infested mountains. The problem was that I could not not lay down without the feeling that flaming kerosene was filling my esophagus. So I made the trade. Reduced incidents of that flaming kerosene feeling but a few minor bouts of something or other. I have to say I am happier without the acid. So maybe, if you are on acid reducers, be extra aware of the quality of your water.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:23 PM   #10958
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MikeMike,
The story of the rise and fall of Tyson is very touching. I think you should do a script treatment and shop it around. I think it will make a great film. It has everything, Hollywood insider stuff, exotic foreign locals, buxom movie stars, betrayal and a fall from grace. It even has an ending dripping with enough irony to keep modern movie goers happy. Maybe Travolta could play the lead using the camera tricks they used in the Lord of the Rings to make the Hobbits look small.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:34 PM   #10959
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There's a phrase you don't see every day
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"...Moonshine, moonshine to slake the devil's thirst, The law they swore they'd get him but the devil got him first"

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Like I said
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:07 PM   #10960
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Sorry TC the word used in the song is "quench", scans better rhythmically. As to the Tyson movie... shop it to the National Geographic Channel, they are owned by Fox and will air any godawful stuff. This sounds like it is right up their alley.

Sjoerd's advice on water is sound for the most part. The hydration nazis here in the mountains tell us that coffee and alcohol remove more water from your system than just drinking water, of course a case of the trots removes lots of water in a hurry. They also say that if your body tells you it is thirsty it is already too late. The purpose of measured hydration is to keep you from ever being thirsty or dehydrated. There was indeed a time when you could drink from mountain streams, that was before ranching, esp. sheep ranching brought giardia to the mountain streams. It has been over for many years. By "beaver fever" do you mean tularemia, common in all kinds of rodents and not real pleasant. The other form of "beaver fever" is transmitted by the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders and others of their ilk. It is not fatal but can cause unpleasant difficulty in walking or getting up off of the couch.
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:43 PM   #10961
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:06 PM   #10962
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Sorry TC the word used in the song is "quench", scans better rhythmically. As to the Tyson movie... shop it to the National Geographic Channel, they are owned by Fox and will air any godawful stuff. This sounds like it is right up their alley.

Sjoerd's advice on water is sound for the most part. The hydration nazis here in the mountains tell us that coffee and alcohol remove more water from your system than just drinking water, of course a case of the trots removes lots of water in a hurry. They also say that if your body tells you it is thirsty it is already too late. The purpose of measured hydration is to keep you from ever being thirsty or dehydrated....
Got me on quench - been singing it wrong all this time, I'm so embarrassed. Apologies to Bob Mitchum

The Hydration Nazis are wrong. Thirst tells you when to drink. Thirst tells cats dogs and antelope when to drink as well. Have you ever seen an elk with a hydration pack? Thirst is a survival mechanism, it has a sound purpose and likely exists due to natural selection. Obviously, all of us have been thirsty at one time or another and we are not dead or permanently impaired. Coffee and alcohol are diuretics but not a big deal. Sojoerd's method of drinking a lot then laying off for 3 hours seems quite sound. Humankind developed to be tolerant of famine and drought. We can go weeks without food and days without water and be just fine when we finally eat and drink. I know a guy who was adrift in a lifeboat for 12 or 14 days with no food and no water. He is fine, runs a hotel in France and rides a GS. Next time a Hydration Nazi tells you their BS send them to me.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:12 PM   #10963
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The other form of "beaver fever" is transmitted by the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders and others of their ilk. It is not fatal but can cause unpleasant difficulty in walking or getting up off of the couch.
Now we're gettin' down to bid'ness

Jimmex mentioned something about this just after we all had walked to the end of the playa at Escondido and I nearly split a gut.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:17 PM   #10964
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You don't have to be sick, but quite often in Mexico your biology will "loosen" and you'll be riding along as the pressure in the tank builds up to a crisis level. Again, overall you will be feeling fine but you'll be playing that kazoo if you know what I mean, trying to "let off steam" until you can make that occasional emergency stop.

Your mileage may vary
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:25 PM   #10965
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Closed course, professional riders, don't try this on a limited access highway. Depends anyone?
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