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Old 03-31-2013, 07:27 PM   #14446
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Hey guys a few questions if I could. I'm planning on heading south for a few months in September. Plan on spending Christmas in Tulum and touring the Yucatan. Ideally I'd like to take a month or so getting down. I figured Baja to La Paz and then the ferry over to the mainland. I've travelled to every US state Canada and Alaska but this would be my first foray into Mexico on two wheels.

If you are interested in Mayan ruins, I would suggest Chichen Itza instead of Tulum.

My questions

1) I understand leaving wrist watches and jewelry at home but is it wise to ride the 12GS or should I pick up a Honda or something? I'm not going to ride an XR so I would be getting an ST or Goldwing or some sort of touring rig not necessarily a Honda; just wondering if the BMW is a beacon for robbery? Ideally I would prefer to ride my GS.

I've taken my Rolex Submariner into Mexico and even Angola and Nigeria. Never had a problem, but then again I don't flash the watch. However, on a bike I take a low cost watch in case I have a fall, and I don't even wear the watch when riding, because they can cut you if you have a fall. I read a Submariner went right through a guy's wrist once. I leave the watch in the tank bag, which is not a good idea for a Rolex if your tank bag has magnets in it, unless your Rolex is a Milgauss. Use a Casio.

Plenty of guys are riding the GS. You will be fine on that bike. I ride a 250cc with d/p tires. It's light, great fuel, low-tech, and I can fix everything on it myself in the field outside of the engine. Can you do that with your GS? In fact today I just mounted my d/p tires as I will be rolling into Mexico again soon and need to test these new tires beforehand.

A lot of us here talk about 'risk management' and 'risk profile' (thanks to tricepilot). You will have to develop your own. This is the right place to start getting ideas for doing such.

2) I've been to Tulum and the Mayan Riviera and I know those areas are safe. My Camera. Is that something that will also draw attention in some of the towns along the way?

Safe? There was just a series of murders in a Cancun bar within the last few weeks. Safe is a relative word. Many of us don't consider the Mayan Riviera to be the real Mexico, but if that is your idea of recreation, then enjoy. As for your camera, personally I would not take an SLR because of luggage space. I take a small digital. The pictures are good enough for my friends, family, blogging, etc. My iphone camera is a backup. However, your SLR would probably not make you a target.

3) I normally take a rambling approach to cruising. I never plan a route I usually just head in a general direction. It's not unusual for me to make no more than 150 miles a day towards my final destination after taking all the sight seeing detours. Can I ride alone anywhere I like safely as I do in the states without to much worry of robbery. I guess what I'm asking is will I be limited to the major highways or can I take the secondary roads to smaller towns which I prefer. There-in lies my camera question too. Is it safe to take pictures with a SLR type camera in the smaller towns?

I would advise against the "Then Came Bronson" approach to riding in Mexico. I would at least get a Guia Roji map book. I don't use a GPS but I plan my routes out and then make a paper strip map that goes in my tank bag's window. For some places I will use a map and compass. I have ordered topographic maps in advance of travel. I have used these maps and compass to help me locate abandoned ruins (haciendas). In some cases I have to ditch the bike and take a quadruped and often depend on locals to help me scout. I would not suggest you do that unless you can speak the language fluently. You also have to have something that I call "presence." Hard for me to describe, but maybe guys like Bato and Arte can explain. As for robbery, you are actually more likely to get robbed on a highway then on a back road.

4) How much can I expect to pay for a hotel room per night and do Americans get charged more than Mexicans? If so is it possible to negotiate the nightly rate. Is that insulting in Mexico?

Get Sjoerd's book. I've never experienced this "tax," but then again I speak the language. It is not an insult to ask for a lower price. It's only an insult if you start acting like a dickhead about it.

5) Sorry for this question but I just read about 200 pages of very boring "border crossing" post trying to get an overall feel for the safety of things. To no avail. It gives the impression everyone in this thread just goes back and forth to different border crossings and then runs here to post about it lol. BTW this thread has enough border crossing post. Extremely boring reading about whether you'll get taxed for your computer or whether this crossing is better than that crossing or "I spent four hours at this crossing but five minutes at that crossing only to find Mexican Costco was a complete mess" LOL.

I already commented on this topic.

5.1) Anyway my question. What is the state of things today in southern rural Mexico. Pretty safe if you keep your nose clean.

Keep your nose clean.

5.2) Trouble will find you easily

Only if you look for it. This includes chasing pussy if that's what you are going after. The putas are of course available, but you will have to be polite to them. Latinos in general are polite to their whores. If you are interested in the drinking and the partying crowd, then you may be looking for trouble and it will find you.

5.3) Not a good time to travel or things are okay?

Things are okay IMO.

5.4) What are some things I should never do that I might not be aware of?

-Don't chase skirts.
-Don't flash money.
-Don't be loud.
-Don't be rude.
-Smile and offer a handshake when dealing with others.
-Start off a conversation by asking how their day is going.
-Be complimentary but not obsequious.
-Be courteous and display manners. Unlike in the US, manners in Latin America are considered a strength, and are not considered a sign of pansy weakness.


Thanks guys

I read the first page which said post recent questions at end of thread; so I did. I have tried to read as much of the thread as possible before posting the questions I have here. Thanks for any help.
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:28 PM   #14447
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GUNSMOKE : nice motorcycles get noticed, but that is all, bring your R1200gs and donīt worry about it

Yesterday I went out for a quick spin with a friend from Taxco, 2 guys from Cuernavaca and 1 from el DF....

we all agreed to meet and drive off from Cuernavaca at 9 am, so off to Laguna de Zempoala, return via Toluca and Ixtapan de la Sal and had lunch just outside of Buenavista de Cuellar....

ridng style was kinda semi-fast to hectic sometimes....lotsa fun... one BMW R1200gs, a KTM 990 Supermoto, a 1200 Multiestrada and 2 Superduke 990 - a lotta looks from the Federales but no one bothered us at all, some people would aproach you and ask about the rides, it was a blast to say the least

when we where having lunch, I told the guys about this extranjero I had met in ADVrider but had never met in person, who lived in cuernavaca and was from somewhere in Europe

and my friend Raul from Cuernavaca replied, " does he drive a V-strom with a large British sticker on his motorcycle "

CRANEGUY : crazy driving extranjeros DO get noticed around here
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:56 PM   #14448
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There must be thousands of BMW motos performing in Mexico.,Like this one Most owners don't worry

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Old 03-31-2013, 08:12 PM   #14449
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Sorry about that. It definitely won't happen again. Dude man just really pissed me off. I shouldn't let 14 year olds get to me like that.
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Nothing in my post was meant as a slam against you. Just a little over the top, slightly sarcastic humor, which evidently didn't translate so well to your read of it. Maybe a bit too extreme for the first time interaction on the written internet. You have my apologies.

The basic summary of my points is as follows: Go, have fun, try to blend in- even though you won't- no matter how hard you try. Be respectful of the local customs, and don't do anything stupid that would get you in trouble anywhere else. You are a guest in their house, they make the rules, and you will get much further down there when you realize that. I'm a firm believer you're a lot better packing light than bringing along the kitchen sink- even though I carry tools, a final drive bearing and seal with me. Each time I've gone on a long mototrip, my load has got lighter. Lots of good photos were taken with Leicas and little Roleis. Look what JDowns is doing with a $20 pawn shop special in his ride report.

I don't know what your individual level of experience with Mexico is, but many of the inmates here can be very good resources with the points beyond how do I cross, what should I ride. This is a great place to ask, where should i go, and what should i see? I don't purport to be as well versed as some inmates in this thread, but I'd like to think I've got some ideas for the noob Mexitraveler that the more seasoned vets here may have long learned and turned to instinct.

And again, I meant you no offense. Take it or leave it, I guarantee my info is worth the price charged (nothin!)
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:13 PM   #14450
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15000th dayum!!! thatīs a lotta replys to this thread...

Will let you know next time, this time the guys caught me off guard, called me the night before and just jumped on it

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Old 03-31-2013, 08:17 PM   #14451
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GUNSMOKE : nice motorcycles get noticed, but that is all, bring your R1200gs and donīt worry about it

Yesterday I went out for a quick spin with a friend from Taxco, 2 guys from Cuernavaca and 1 from el DF....

we all agreed to meet and drive off from Cuernavaca at 9 am, so off to Laguna de Zempoala, return via Toluca and Ixtapan de la Sal and had lunch just outside of Buenavista de Cuellar....

ridng style was kinda semi-fast to hectic sometimes....lotsa fun... one BMW R1200gs, a KTM 990 Supermoto, a 1200 Multiestrada and 2 Superduke 990 - a lotta looks from the Federales but no one bothered us at all, some people would aproach you and ask about the rides, it was a blast to say the least

when we where having lunch, I told the guys about this extranjero I had met in ADVrider but had never met in person, who lived in cuernavaca and was from somewhere in Europe

and my friend Raul from Cuernavaca replied, " does he drive a V-strom with a large British sticker on his motorcycle "

CRANEGUY : crazy driving extranjeros DO get noticed around here
First, congrats on the 15,000th post!

I'm glad my sticker got noticed!

Now, what were you doing riding my territory with letting me know??

You know how us British feel about our empires!

By the way, I prefer the term "spirited" to describe my riding. It only becomes crazy when I'm trying to keep up with MikeMike!
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:21 PM   #14452
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15000th dayum!!! thatīs a lotta replys to this thread...

Will let you know next time, this time the guys caught me off guard, called me the night before and just jumped on it

Saludos
No problemo bud. I'm nursing a kidney stone at the moment, so I'm not straying far from home. It's also not advisable to ride with 200mg of Hydrocodone in your system. It's kinda hard to ride a straight line on that stuff!

I'm heading out to the Middle East soon. Hopefully I'll be returning on a Multistrada. Then we'll see if we can take crazy, sorry, spirited, to a whole new level.
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:46 PM   #14453
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Resorts

There is nothing wrong with resorts. I like resorts. I live in a resort community and a large part of my small yearly income depends on the people who come to the resorts and book the Mountain Tours that I drive with the Outfitter I work for. I give them a good experience in the mountains and I bring them back home under sometimes sketchy circumstances. They are none the wiser because, so far, I have done my job well.

I personally do not go to resorts. The resort experience and the organized tour experience are not things that I enjoy personally. I am what the travel industry calls "an independent traveler". The resort experience tends to give you the take on a place that the resort wants you to have. I get a far better experience talking to the resort staff at the mercado. That is a choice that I make. Resorts are often very good for the economies of the towns and areas where they are located. This is good on many levels for the people, and on other levels not so good. Resorts tend to be quite wasteful of precious resources: water, local food, landfill space, fuel and energy to name a few. Resorts here and in other parts of the Spanish speaking Americas tend to be driven by large pools of "disposable income" As upwardly mobile Mexican families have more disposable income they are seen more often at these resorts and I can almost guarantee that they are not paying what the gringo pays. Gringos are seen as cash cows who are not smart enough to know what value is. It is not done cynically or impolitely, it is just the way business is done in some places.

I put my Rolex Submariner away years ago. I always wanted an "Oyster Perpetual" It is after all my surname. For what it cost to get the Rolex overhauled every couple of years I could buy three Casios. The current one I have had for eight years, no ten. It is solar powered and when I am in the USA portion of North America it updates to the Atomic Clock in Boulder, CO, USA. It is never wrong, the Rolex often was. It, like BMW's and Mercedes-Benzes, both of which I own, is a lot of bullshit hype by ad executives who get paid more than watchmakers or car builders and designers. There may be some things in the world that are flawless but German and Swiss Iron and Gears are not on the list.

$2500/month to rent an apartment in Mexico is around $1065 pesos/day, depending on the float. In many of the more interesting towns you can get a room at the very best place in town for that.

There were years when I had money and stayed in resorts: The Hana Ranch, pre-Starwood, Kona Village, The Mauna Kea Hotel, The Jackson Lake Lodge, Costa Carayes, The Bali Hai, The Peninsula in Hong Kong, The Taj Mahal in Mumbai, The Gritti Palace, The Ritz in Paris... just to name a few. I can't do that any more. I am on a fixed income and have to make the dollars stretch so the time can too. There may be followers of this thread who can afford to stay wherever they want. That is great. Their experience of Mexico will be quite different from mine but if you are 125 miles from nowhere and have to use the hopper you will have to use it without a toilet seat no matter where you stayed last night or hope you will stay tonight.. I am sure that I would like to stay at Las Hadas and imagine that I caught a glimpse of Bo Derek or her evil twin but that is not the hand I am holding currently. I think most nice places would look at scruffy me on my motorcycle and say sorry... we are full... even if I had a handful of 500 peso notes. That is OK too.

The information provided on this thread is a free service provided at some expense of time by those who provide it and who have earned their stripes by actually traveling the highways and byways of Mexico. This information is in constant flux because things change very rapidly down here... even the maps... there is a huge amount of public works construction going on here all of the time and stuff changes really quickly.

It is totally inappropriate to attack anyone here... get cranky sometimes... yes... it happens... people waste a lot of time and space asking questions that have been gone over in nauseating detail... people quote posts without removing the photographs resulting in endless pages of the same photograph of Salma Hayak's left boob... or some damn mountain in the middle of nowhere. Everyone has their own way of doing things, their own style of riding and their own sense of adventure. No need to get all riled up. It is just a website.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:47 PM   #14454
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I will chime in on jimmex' Oaxaca advice. He made me drool over it, unfortunately my other end was working over time and I did not get to Oaxaca before I had to be in Zihua.
"My other end" could be taken a couple of very different ways. For your sake I hope it was the good way.
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It is totally inappropriate to attack anyone here... get cranky sometimes... yes... it happens... people waste a lot of time and space asking questions that have been gone over in nauseating detail... people quote posts without removing the photographs resulting in endless pages of the same photograph of Salma Hayak's left boob... or some damn mountain in the middle of nowhere. Everyone has their own way of doing things, their own style of riding and their own sense of adventure. No need to get all riled up. It is just a website.
Reminds me of.......
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There is nothing wrong with resorts. I like resorts. I live in a resort community and a large part of my small yearly income depends on the people who come to the resorts and book the Mountain Tours that I drive with the Outfitter I work for. I give them a good experience in the mountains and I bring them back home under sometimes sketchy circumstances. They are none the wiser because, so far, I have done my job well.

I enjoy resorts however I may be using the wrong term. I've never stayed at an all exclusive place or been on a cruise. My idea of a resort is a hotel on the beach with a restaurant and room service lol. I certainly don't plan on spending 6 weeks traveling through mexico to end up holding up on an exclusive property where you never leave. Last time I was in Tulum 6 years ago they had electricity for 6 hours a day and that's the way I like it although I would give the Cabanas hotels service along the beach 5 stars. They really cater to you.

I personally do not go to resorts. The resort experience and the organized tour experience are not things that I enjoy personally. I am what the travel industry calls "an independent traveler". The resort experience tends to give you the take on a place that the resort wants you to have. I get a far better experience talking to the resort staff at the mercado. That is a choice that I make. Resorts are often very good for the economies of the towns and areas where they are located. This is good on many levels for the people, and on other levels not so good. Resorts tend to be quite wasteful of precious resources: water, local food, landfill space, fuel and energy to name a few. Resorts here and in other parts of the Spanish speaking Americas tend to be driven by large pools of "disposable income" As upwardly mobile Mexican families have more disposable income they are seen more often at these resorts and I can almost guarantee that they are not paying what the gringo pays. Gringos are seen as cash cows who are not smart enough to know what value is. It is not done cynically or impolitely, it is just the way business is done in some places.

That's good to know. I may hire a fixer for awhile. I can afford to stay where I like but I prefer just like anyone not to overpay.

I put my Rolex Submariner away years ago. I always wanted an "Oyster Perpetual" It is after all my surname. For what it cost to get the Rolex overhauled every couple of years I could buy three Casios. The current one I have had for eight years, no ten. It is solar powered and when I am in the USA portion of North America it updates to the Atomic Clock in Boulder, CO, USA. It is never wrong, the Rolex often was. It, like BMW's and Mercedes-Benzes, both of which I own, is a lot of bullshit hype by ad executives who get paid more than watchmakers or car builders and designers. There may be some things in the world that are flawless but German and Swiss Iron and Gears are not on the list.

I wear a Ulysse Nardin or an IWC most days; but yeah I wouldn't wear my GMT Master or any nice watch in Mexico more out of respect than anything. Not cool to wear a timepiece that may exceed a years wages where you're traveling.

$2500/month to rent an apartment in Mexico is around $1065 pesos/day, depending on the float. In many of the more interesting towns you can get a room at the very best place in town for that.

That's good to know because that's what I would feel comfortable paying and I'd like to stay at the nicest place possible; good info. I plan on spending a couple months in the Yucatan so that's good to know. I'm sure I'll rent a house and the less I spend the better however I will want some luxuries.

There were years when I had money and stayed in resorts: The Hana Ranch, pre-Starwood, Kona Village, The Mauna Kea Hotel, The Jackson Lake Lodge.

Hey I've stayed at the Jackson lake Lodge. For anyone planning that lodge I give it 3 stars.

The information provided on this thread is a free service provided at some expense of time by those who provide it and who have earned their stripes by actually traveling the highways and byways of Mexico. This information is in constant flux because things change very rapidly down here... even the maps... there is a huge amount of public works construction going on here all of the time and stuff changes really quickly.

Another reason I asked the questions I did rather than totally relying on the search function and info in this thread that is over a year old. Things do change very quickly. Glad you understand that and I appreciate it.


It is totally inappropriate to attack anyone here... get cranky sometimes... yes... it happens... people waste a lot of time and space asking questions that have been gone over in nauseating detail... people quote posts without removing the photographs resulting in endless pages of the same photograph of Salma Hayak's left boob... or some damn mountain in the middle of nowhere. Everyone has their own way of doing things, their own style of riding and their own sense of adventure. No need to get all riled up. It is just a website.

Thanks again because I did feel attacked. Mike883 thanks for your apology. I was born and raised in SC. Lived in Charleston my entire life. I need to remember I'm not in church or at the local diner. In SC we are polite to a fault. Please and thank you is ingrained into us from birth. I have to remember this is a global site and the definition of politeness is different from place to place. I refuse to travel to France or NYC because of these different personalities. And I've been there and done that. I end up spending the entire trip upset in some way or another because some asshole ended up being beyond rude probably without ever even realizing it. Just how they were raised. And when you're polite by nature they will actually take offense to your politeness. I'd go crazy living north of the NJ border.

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Nothing in my post was meant as a slam against you.
Hey I really appreciate that and sorry I was over the top as well. Friends now I hope?
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Many Mexicans, especially the older ones, were raised with a sense of propriety and manners that would put the most prim of Charlestonian matrons to shame...it has been many years since I have been to Charleston...last time I was there you could not order a drink on Sunday but you could get a very special cup of tea! Mexico has a tradition of hospitality and politeness to strangers... when you enter a shop or restaurant you should greet the people there, you will be greeted before you set foot in the door. It is the way things are done here.... even at 150 peso/night motels the staff are polite... I was raised a southern gentleman, it was a tradition to be gentlemanly at my University... Email and the internet strip us of very important facial and tonal clues and we can find ourselves saying the most innocent things that then evoke episodes of very ungentlemanly rage and inappropriate language... it happens... in the early days of scientific communication over DARPANET careers were damaged and even destroyed in "flame wars" and so it goes today. An $80/day hotel budget will allow a person a lot of creature comforts here, but no guarantee of a hot shower every time, or reliably working AC. Just sayin'. The cheaper places often have far much more charm.
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