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Old 03-16-2010, 09:53 AM   #1
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The athletes I admire thread

First up today is New England Patriots defensive end Ty Warren who has decided that his college degree is important. Yes - took him a little time to come to this conclusion but dang, he's to be greatly admired for being a role model to his family.

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Old 03-16-2010, 10:53 AM   #2
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Eddy Merckx. Greatest cyclist of all time, who did it without dope:

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Old 03-16-2010, 12:35 PM   #3
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Eddy Merckx. Greatest cyclist of all time, who did it without dope:
The performance enhancing drug of his day was stimulants. There's no reason to believe he wasn't using them along with everyone else, is there?

He tested positive in 1969. I see he tested positive three times: The Giro of '69, the Tour of Lombardy '73 and the Flèche
Wallone 1977.

He protested the 1969 test. Here's an explanation of what may have happened:

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Merckx tested positive after the stage Parma-Savona of the '69 Giro
(reactivan).

Because it was an unimportant stage (between the TT and the
mountains) and Merckx, wearing the pink jersey, knew he would be tested, it
seemd highly unlikely he had been taking drugs. What's more, if his outrage
and desperation when he heard the news was a fake, he would have been the
best actor of the world. So there is only one conclusion possible: that day
Merckx didn't take drugs.

No wonder many people thought Merckx had been
framed by the Italians who of course can't be trusted anyway. Many belgians
wanted to break off the diplomatic relations with Italy and even the king
interfered. A quite plausible story, and Merckx is still sticking to it.

And yet, what really happened was probably quite different. Two days before the
stage to Savona there was a time trial. Merckx won and there were found some
traces of reactivan in his urine. But the qualtities were so infinitesimal
that he passed the test anyway. What seems to have happened was that
Merckx's doctor advised him to take reactivan for the TT and after he had
finished the race to do as quickly as possible to the test site. Because hardly more than one hour had passed there were weren't yet traces in his urine. Because the day after it was a resting day and the traces would have
left the body in 24 hours, the scheme seemed to be completely foolproof. But
alas, different people are reacting in different ways, and 48 hours later
there were still traces in Merckx' s urine.
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Old 03-16-2010, 04:13 PM   #4
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I got nothing. Maybe Jim Clark, at best.
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Old 03-17-2010, 06:36 AM   #5
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Ricky Carmichael, the GOAT. I admire the way he never gave up.
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Old 03-17-2010, 06:44 AM   #6
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+1 for Ricky Carmichael!

Tony Stewart may be an hothead on the track and hates the media but he is very generous with his money and planes when it comes to the Make A Wish foundation, child charities and Veteran foundations.

Granted it can be called a tax cause but he could spend the money other ways.
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Old 03-17-2010, 07:05 AM   #7
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The performance enhancing drug of his day was stimulants. There's no reason to believe he wasn't using them along with everyone else, is there?

He tested positive in 1969. I see he tested positive three times: The Giro of '69, the Tour of Lombardy '73 and the Flèche
Wallone 1977.

He protested the 1969 test. Here's an explanation of what may have happened:

Many of Merckx's contemporaries have died from what would seem to be the side effects of a number of drugs. And steroids were certainly popular back then. There was a lot of sharing of needles.

Luis Ocana had hepatitis C when he committed suicide.

Jose Manuel Fuente died of kidney disease and hepatitis that he claimed he contracted from shared needles.

Jacques Anquetil was pretty open about being an amphetamine enthusiast.

Joop Zoetemelk was adamant that, when he tested positive for steroids, the tests were wrong because he hadn't used steroids for over 6 months and the riders had been assured that 6 months was a safe interval between use and testing.

And so forth.

Merckx was accompanied by a physician throughout almost all of his career. I know that one time he failed a drug test it was because he had taken a cold medication that was over-the-counter in either the USA or Europe (I want to say that he took a dose of pseudoephedrine but I'm not positive about that).

Arguably Merckx and Lance Armstrong are the most tested athletes of all time.

We'll never know, but Merckx clearly was an amazing talent. And there doesn't seem to be any reason to think that he used steroids or amphetamines.

Beer and cigarettes maybe, but that's a different story.
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Old 03-17-2010, 07:08 AM   #8
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You have to admire Lance Armstrong. While I personally think that Merckx was the greatest cyclist of all time, Armstrong has a very strong case for being #2, and that's amazing considering that his advanced cancer would have killed a lessor man.


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Old 03-17-2010, 07:14 AM   #9
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Paul Newman. Good driver ... admirable benefactor and human being.


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Old 03-17-2010, 07:17 AM   #10
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Ayrton Senna. Tremendous dedication to the one thing that mattered the most to him - winning.

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Askel.

In the face of hot ski bunnies, he stretches that spandex on and falls all over himself in the woods, over and over again.

Have to admire that level of dedication.
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Old 03-17-2010, 07:31 AM   #12
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In the face of hot ski bunnies, he stretches that spandex on and falls all over himself in the woods, over and over again.

Have to admire that level of dedication.


This "Stroh's" is for me!
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:16 AM   #13
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So that there is a least one female athlete (other than the Williams sisters): Jeannie Longo, cyclist.
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:23 AM   #14
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Famous pros come and go. I've seen lots of amateurs do really well for a spell. The athletes that impress me most are the ones who stick to it for a lifetime, and do it because they love it. Go to a local ski/bike/run/whatever race. There will probably be a few folks that have been doing this shit for 50 years or more. All while balancing life/jobs/kids/etc.

That's fucking cool. I admire that. Those are people I can learn something from.


(And not all of them are still single. )
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