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Old 02-19-2011, 10:17 AM   #181
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Unlike you I've had great service out of the HF 4.5" angle grinder. Must have gone through 200 cutting disks and a couple dozen grinding disks in the 4 years I've had it and it still works fine.

It makes me feel really good! I'd buy another one in a heartbeat.
Same here!

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Old 02-20-2011, 10:02 PM   #182
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I love HF... Yea, you get a turd no and then, but overall It's a great place. I think we all go in there with a mission and come out with stuff we didn't intend on buying.
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Old 02-21-2011, 01:10 PM   #183
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Amazing the HF hate. I have a top of the line Craftsman professional drill. Guess where it was made?




Had this not been a gift I would likely have purchased the HF one.

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Old 02-21-2011, 01:24 PM   #184
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Amazing the HF hate. I have a top of the line Craftsman professional drill. Guess where it was made?




Had this not been a gift I would likely have purchased the HF one.

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decent quality shit goes to Sears, garbage to HF.

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Old 02-21-2011, 03:43 PM   #185
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How did you come to that conclusion?

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Old 02-21-2011, 04:39 PM   #186
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decent quality shit goes to Sears, garbage to HF.

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I do not concur, actually I think Harbor Freight stuff is a bit up the ladder from some other places, figure it all comes off the same production lines. And gets different stickers and colors of plastic.

Now I do think there are better quality mini-lathes, but not that much better.
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Old 02-21-2011, 04:52 PM   #187
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Since we seem to have very little choice of stuff that is not made in China we might as well pay as little as possible for it. Harbor Freight
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Old 02-21-2011, 09:38 PM   #188
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That kinda flies in the face of the idea that everything made in China is total crap.

The sad fact is that China is the new Japan. Their quality is improving daily, and like it or not, the fact is American made is no longer an option for much of what we need everyday!

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Old 02-22-2011, 12:54 AM   #189
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my HF stuff cross-threads and strips bolts just as good as all of my expensive tools.
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:26 AM   #190
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The sad fact is that China is the new Japan.
1960s Japan and modern day china have very little in common.

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Their quality is improving daily
I don't gives a rats arse whether their quality is improving or not. Labor rates in urban china just went up 60%. The average factory worker now makes $600.00. A YEAR! Their labor rates are what makes it nearly impossible for American companies to compete.


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and like it or not, the fact is American made is no longer an option for much of what we need everyday!
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Bullshit.

http://www.madeinusa.org/

http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/

http://www.americansworking.com/

http://www.buyamerican.com/

http://info.usa-c.com/

It just takes slightly more work than being a lazy consumer.

My wife wants a new vacuum cleaner. It took me 5 mins to find this.
http://www.riccar.com/ Who knew?

We needed a pressure cooker for canning last summer. I bought one of these.
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.c...l.asp?iBrand=1


If you had read/watched my sig links you might start to get it.

I haven't had my coffee so I'm irritable.
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:41 AM   #191
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1960s Japan and modern day china have very little in common.



I don't gives a rats arse whether their quality is improving or not. Labor rates in urban china just went up 60%. The average factory worker now makes $600.00. A YEAR! Their labor rates are what makes it nearly impossible for American companies to compete.




Bullshit.

http://www.madeinusa.org/

http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/

http://www.americansworking.com/

http://www.buyamerican.com/

http://info.usa-c.com/

It just takes slightly more work than being a lazy consumer.

My wife wants a new vacuum cleaner. It took me 5 mins to find this.
http://www.riccar.com/ Who knew?

We needed a pressure cooker for canning last summer. I bought one of these.
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.c...l.asp?iBrand=1


If you had read/watched my sig links you might start to get it.

I haven't had my coffee so I'm irritable.
Leave this crap in CSM where it belongs, you are not educating anyone with propaganda.

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Old 02-22-2011, 06:43 AM   #192
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I would very much like to buy American made hand held power tools but I

think they no longer exist. After much searching I found these guys:

http://www.metabo.us/ Still made in Germany.

I'm about to pick up one of these at the AirGas north of Charlotte.

http://www.tools-plus.com/metabo-w8-115-quick.html

I refuse to buy chinese products (crap).

Wait, I thought you could find anything made in the US?

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Old 02-22-2011, 09:13 AM   #193
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I would very much like to buy American made hand held power tools but I

think they no longer exist. After much searching I found these guys:

I've seen many recent-production Bosch brand power tools labeled "Made in Switzerland".

Granted, Switzerland is not technically "America", but if you're looking for non-Chinese power tools they may be worth investigating.

Out of curiosity, are there any other countries of origin that you avoid like you do China?
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Out of curiosity, are there any other countries of origin that you avoid like you do China?
Not as vehemently, but there are others I try to avoid. If their labor rates for manufacturing are no where near competitive I try to avoid them.

Here's a list of labor rates.

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.reques...d3133naics.txt

china and India are listed separately due to the massive disparity.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2006/11/art4full.pdf

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/ichcc.nr0.htm
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Wait, I thought you could find anything made in the US?

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If you had read/watched my sig links you might start to get it.


Wait, I thought you said leave it in CS&M, yet here you are.
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