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Old 08-14-2010, 05:04 PM   #106
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That's because countries like China make stuff so cheaply that it isn't worth repairing. People would rather buy crap and replace it over and over than invest in something that lasts and might need service some day.

Boing. Sorry, Bingo.

I repaired about everything for the cleaning crew at a past job (A university) along with electrical work.

I built a Sanitaire commercial vacuum from discarded parts. Optimized for suction and beater bar speed

of course (couldn't help but hot rod it ). Still going strong 15 years later and

I can still get any part for it at the Vacuum shop in town.
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Old 08-16-2010, 08:10 AM   #107
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Sigh. Never said I loved Craftsman. I like them because I can buy made in the USA

tools if I pay attention to the labels. Quality is only a tiny part of the issue.

I said I wouldn't get on the soapbox, so I'll keep it short.

If you have kids, let me know how they like it when they are owned by the Chinese

and the US is a third world country with a few ultra rich and a sea of poverty level people.

I've needed a pneumatic die grinder for a while now. I coulda bought an HF for 12 bucks

or whatever. I bought a Dotco. Look it up if you're unfamiliar.



Two good links about buying American.

http://tiny.cc/nkb5x
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We used to hear this about the Japanese when I was a kid.

Face it, it is a WORLD market now, and we are a service economy. Oh, and this really isn't the place for socioeconomic or political discussion.

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Old 08-16-2010, 09:13 AM   #108
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Face it, it is a WORLD market now, and we are a service economy.
I keep hearing that statement. Does service economy mean that we are going to run a trade deficit until our economy degrades to that of a third world country and it becomes profitable to make stuff here again?
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:22 AM   #109
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I keep hearing that statement. Does service economy mean that we are going to run a trade deficit until our economy degrades to that of a third world country and it becomes profitable to make stuff here again?
Facts are facts. I don't like it any more than you do, but I can't change it, and I don't see that buying my tools from Sears, and degrading my limited income, is going to help.

The fact is, we are doing fairly well as a service economy, and though we have little manufacturing base anymore, we are still one of the richest, if not the richest, economy in the world. No, back to the point of this thread.

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PS Sears sells a lot of Chinese tools now too!
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:01 PM   #110
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6" safety wire pliers : broke on first use.
It doesn't matter where you buy those from, all safety wire pliers are junk.
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:29 PM   #111
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It doesn't matter where you buy those from, all safety wire pliers are junk.
Not true.

I have a pair of bluepoint ones from the snap on truck, bought in 1993.

Still work like new. Of course they were $100 and probably have a lifetime warranty as well.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/tools...e=snapon-store
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:35 PM   #112
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I bought a "grizzly" framing nailer from HF a couple of years back and I have nothing but praise for it. For $100, it paid for itself a dozen times over and owes me nothing.

I recon I've put at least 100,000 nails through it and it is still serves me well.
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:37 PM   #113
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Not true.

I have a pair of bluepoint ones from the snap on truck, bought in 1993.

Still work like new. Of course they were $100 and probably have a lifetime warranty as well.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/tools...e=snapon-store
Sorry, still junk. Their use is forbidden where safety counts.
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:40 PM   #114
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Even Snap-On sells Chinese tools.

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PS Sears sells a lot of Chinese tools now too!
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:45 PM   #115
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Sorry, still junk. Their use is forbidden where safety counts.
Huh? I would think the wire quality and application would be the important thing.

I mostly use them for safety wiring my grips these days anyways but they have always worked as designed.
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:27 PM   #116
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...it's a throwaway society I tellya.

I've got my dad's (60 years mechanic and car restoration) mechanic/body and power tools. Nothing ever wears out. Can't buy 'em anymore.
Heck, where can a guy buy decent drillbits?
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Old 08-16-2010, 07:14 PM   #117
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Facts are facts. I don't like it any more than you do, but I can't change it, and I don't see that buying my tools from Sears, and degrading my limited income, is going to help.

You can try. That attitude is exactly what will bring this country down.

If you can't afford to buy products that help OUR country, your neighbors, my neighbors,

maybe you should try doing with less till you can. Did you ever think that maybe you

can't afford them, cause you're in a service job, because your purchases

are sending your money straight out of the country?

Maybe if you bought a tire changer from an American company an employee

of that company would then be able to pay YOU to do what ever it is you do?


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The fact is, we are doing fairly well as a service economy, and though we have little manufacturing base anymore, we are still one of the richest, if not the richest, economy in the world.


I can't believe you just said that. Doing fairly well? I guess that

would explain all the short sales my Realtor wife has done in the last

1.5 yrs (Short sale: A house is about to be foreclosed on so the bank allows

you to sell it for less than what's owed but accepts that as payoff).

Did you read my links?
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Old 08-16-2010, 07:16 PM   #118
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...it's a throwaway society I tellya.


Heck, where can a guy buy decent drillbits?

Yep.

I just ordered a bunch of these. AMERICAN made.

http://aircrafttoolssurplus.com/5lbs...on-P19976.aspx
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Yep.

I just ordered a bunch of these. AMERICAN made.

http://aircrafttoolssurplus.com/5lbs...on-P19976.aspx
Not to rain on the parade, but buying used is not exactly helping American manufacturing.
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Old 08-16-2010, 07:49 PM   #120
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Not to rain on the parade, but buying used is not exactly helping American manufacturing.

You are correct. But at least they are high quality and I'm not buying products

made by a labor force that's paid 630.00 a YEAR, there by making it

very difficult to make things here and be competitive.


Jim, that's what I think you don't get. Peoples issue with Japanese products in the late

sixties was quality. The (my) issue with Chinese products is only slightly based

on quality. The real issue is American manufacturers (and other countries)

can't compete with companies that pay employees 630 a year, give zero benefits

and have little or no environmental or safety laws to meet (they cost money).

I don't have an issue with Canadian, a lot of European, Japanese, and many other countries products.

Those countries are competing on level footing because workers are paid a livable

wage and benefits are offered. Not to mention environment and safety concerns.

I still buy American first and foremost, but I will buy other countries

products if I can't get it made here.

I also don't want to buy products from a country that kills its

citizens for holding a peaceful demonstration.
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