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Old 03-22-2010, 10:25 AM   #76
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:27 AM   #77
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Craigslist goobers are the worst. When I've sold something on CL, I've always put something to this extent in the ad:

THIS IS THE FINAL PRICE. THERE IS NO NEGOTIATION. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR BARTER, YOUR SERVICES, OR YOUR TRADES. I WILL NOT TAKE A CHECK, A MONEY ORDER, OR ANYTHING EXCEPT CASH IN HAND AT THE TIME OF THE TRANSACTION. I WILL NOT DELIVER.

Works great.

As for car dealers, I've had good and bad experiences. Buying our Subaru was the worst. I felt like I was assraped when we left. Buying our Honda was the best. Nice and easy, but probably because Honda was not dealing on Fits at all at the time because all were sold before they even made it to the dealer, so there was no dicking around.
"What kind of discount are you going to give me?"

If you did not ask, I would have given you a shitload of goodies.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:36 AM   #78
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So I'm out looking at pickups at our local Chevy dealer and came across this:




Yes.. $999 dealer charge to fill the tires with nitrogen. On the plus side it does come with free refills for life.

I wonder if I offer full MSRP for the truck they'll waive the $999 nitrogen fee?
The tires in my wife's Mini came with a $25.00 add-on for nitrogen.

That's the first thing that came off in the deal.

But you can bet I make damn sure they use nitrogen for the tires when it's in for service.
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:34 PM   #79
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But you can bet I make damn sure they use nitrogen for the tires when it's in for service.

How?
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Old 03-22-2010, 04:23 PM   #80
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but to the og poster, sounds like you didn't get great customer service. but that hardly makes them the lowest form of life (i mean, many of them are, but your story doesn't support your assertion). and seriously, they came down from the list price- what more do you want from a first volley in negotiations?
Koncha's list of 5 professions that might be lower on the 'Overall Scale of Lowest Form of Life' or OSLFL:

1- abortionist
2- child pornographer
3- slaver
4- fluffer for inter-species porn
5-

Sorry. I could only come up with 4.
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Old 03-22-2010, 04:33 PM   #81
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I've bought about 6 brand-new cars in my 29 years of driving.

Oddly, out of all the floor-whores that I've dealt with, the one that did NOT try to screw me over was the Kia dealership in town. Salesman left me alone to browse, when I asked to test drive a new Sorento, he brought one out quickly, told me to go out to lunch and come back.

He told me he was going to give me one price, and that price is final. It was about 25% below MSRP, including tax, tags, etc. I've already shopped around, his price was lower. I signed the papers.

Even the business manager did not ask me if I wanted to buy any of those stupid service contracts, insurance options, etc.

Smoothest transition ever.

And this Kia turns out to be as reliable as my old Accord.
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Old 03-22-2010, 06:05 PM   #82
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Koncha's list of 5 professions that might be lower on the 'Overall Scale of Lowest Form of Life' or OSLFL:

1- abortionist
2- child pornographer
3- slaver
4- fluffer for inter-species porn
5-

Sorry. I could only come up with 4.
I like car salesmen a lot. At least I can talk about something interesting with those guys.

Unlike realtors.
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Old 03-22-2010, 06:26 PM   #83
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I like car salesmen a lot. At least I can talk about something interesting with those guys.

Unlike realtors.
Car salesmen are an easy target. I am a little disappointed nobody wanted to take the bait.

I have yet to understand the value a realtor brings to any real estate transaction for any client who can read.
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:06 PM   #84
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I have yet to understand the value a realtor brings to any real estate transaction for any client who can read.
They have the lockbox code.
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:17 PM   #85
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I like car salesmen a lot. At least I can talk about something interesting with those guys.

Unlike realtors.

Tell me about it. After 20 yrs of the car business I've been in mortgage business for a while.
I can't stand most agents. The one I work with most doesn't speak English very well, so the conversations are short.
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:31 PM   #86
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I have yet to understand the value a realtor brings to any real estate transaction for any client who can read.
Now that is the worst advise I have read in a long time.

When buying a house, you need to have a buyers realtor or buyers attorney , depending what is customery in your neck of the woods, to look out for your interests.

Never purchase real property using just the sellers realtor.

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Old 03-22-2010, 09:26 PM   #87
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Now that is the worst advise I have read in a long time.

When buying a house, you need to have a buyers realtor or buyers attorney , depending what is customery in your neck of the woods, to look out for your interests.

Never purchase real property using just the sellers realtor.
i used a buyer's agent. i still don't know what they brought to the transaction- perhaps you could enlighten help me? i mean, i can look up recent sales almost as well (and the fact that i can't is because realtors set it up that way- i.e. they're making it harder for me, not easier), the inspector is the one who tells me if the house is in decent shape, final appraisal is from someone else, and the title company makes all the paperwork is signed. so what's a buyer's agent do other than have the lock box code?
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:54 PM   #88
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I just bought a new car last week. The listed price was $1200. I said $900. THe guy thinks for a moment and says "Well I really wanted at least $1000, so lets split the difference." So I'm there thinking, ok 1200-900=300 300/2=150 900+150=$1050. Sounds good enough. But before I can say OK he continues on, and says "So how about 950?" He split the difference between what he wanted and my offer not between the asking price and my offer! A hundred bucks is a hundred bucks, made my weekend.

Man, writing a check for 35 grand for a used car. I can't imagine. Wouldn't you rather go on a trip or something? Don't you have anything better to spend your money on then looking like 95% of the other jerks in the grocery store parking lot?
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:51 PM   #89
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i used a buyer's agent. i still don't know what they brought to the transaction- perhaps you could enlighten help me? i mean, i can look up recent sales almost as well (and the fact that i can't is because realtors set it up that way- i.e. they're making it harder for me, not easier), the inspector is the one who tells me if the house is in decent shape, final appraisal is from someone else, and the title company makes all the paperwork is signed. so what's a buyer's agent do other than have the lock box code?
If you know the town and the neighborhood where you want to buy, if you spend time learning what the current market is, if you know exactly what it is that you're looking for, then maybe you don't "need" a Realtor.

However, if you're not familiar with the area or the current market, and/or if you don't have the time to learn them, then a Realtor can be a good thing.

A good Realtor will be able to negotiate a good price for you and know all the people to call in order to help facilitate the deal... Surveyors, appraisers, inspectors, insurance agents, loan officers, title companies, etc...

Sure, there are plenty of shitty part-time do-nothing Realtors out there. There are also plenty of helpful and knowledgeable Realtors... It's no different from any other profession...
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:56 PM   #90
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They are the lowest form of life on earth.


My wife and I are looking for a CPO BMW 5-series. She finds a 2008 model with the features and mileage we want. Give them a call....3 times. We are looking to buy, like right now. Never heard anything. Had to call the sales manager and finally got hooked up with a "saleman".
He gives me the rundown on how the CPO deal works, etc. Stuff I already know because we have researched the cars for months. I ask him to give me a walk-out-the-door-right-now price. I again tell him we are ready to buy right now.
He calls back about 15 minutes later and tells me "I can sell the car for $35,500. Thats the right price for the market in a 200 mile radius."
The price on the car was $35,900..........
I would think with the economy like it is and car sales being way down these guys would be jumping over each other to get a sale.
Sorry, I know I'm stating the obvious but F&#@ I hate them!
The car salesman's job is to get the most money he can for his company.

The car buyer's job is to get the best price he can NEGOTIATE.

What did you say your offer was on this deal?
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