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Old 10-02-2012, 04:16 PM   #1111
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It is the same on I-5 in Oregon. Just be sure to look FAR ahead at all lanes an take note of lane changes and brake lights in ALL lanes.

I had a truck do the left lane block thing on me Sunday. He pulled into the left lane to pass another truck got beside said truck then just decided to hang out there. WTF? After a couple of miles he cleared the truck and was going for the next one... Lane split time with a friendly ADV salute!!!

Whipped past then back to the left lane and SHIT shit shit... LEO'S lights come on... Off the throttle... drop 15mph... LEO waves... I think this might be expensive. LEO PULLS OVER THE TRUCK!!! WOOT!

AWESOME!
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:51 PM   #1112
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Speed doesn't kill. High speed differentials kill. So yes, I have advice -- stop blasting down the empty lane at speeds significantly higher than surrounding traffic. You're right to be nervous of somebody cutting over suddenly. I'm surprised you haven't been hit already.

If there is traffic, deal with it intelligently -- don't freak out and twist the throttle to "GTFO" of the situation.
So basically you're saying sit with traffic? What's significantly faster? Isn't the intelligent thing to get out of the way? Just trying to understand here. I mean, are you recommending that I just sit behind the cars and wait it out?
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:59 AM   #1113
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I'm not LM but I think the point is use caution when in that type of situation, look all around reading the traffic and other drivers, pass with care and don't get stuck in someones blind spot.

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Old 10-03-2012, 12:02 PM   #1114
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Well I'm one of those those nOObs that this thread was directed at so thank you everyone for the great insight and pointers. I've taken the safety course and have ridden dirt bikes, atvs and snowmobiles all my life but never spent much time on the street (being that I'm 48 and just starting out on the street, I guess I should hang it up now or I'll be dead according to one poster ). Yea right! I recently got a DL650 that fits me well and brings me back to my dirt bike days.

There's not much I can add to this thread but have noticed a couple of things. It's a good idea to check your speedometer once in a while until you get the feel of your bike. It's very deceving how fast you are going on a bike, 60+ mph feels like nothing and you can get into trouble pretty quick if your not paying attention to your speed comming into a corner.

I'm also torn about riding with an experianced rider vs solo. I did that recently and had to tell him (a very good friend) from the get go - no more than 5 mph over the limit cause I know he likes to fly. He understood and was cool about it, but I still felt a little distracted following him. I find that riding solo I can concentrate on my form and not concern myself with what he's doing.

Keep the great suggestion comming!
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:16 AM   #1115
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So, I need some advice.

I need to teach a noob to ride offroad (no street riding noob, just first time offroad), what's the best method ?

What are the first things you need to know and to do to be a successful dual sport rider ? That's just light offroad with big DS bikes (aka Dakar or KLR for example), no endure or hardcore offroard riding...
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:42 AM   #1116
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I suggest you get an instructional DVD and learn from that what to convey to your noob. Here's one of many:

http://www.touratech-usa.com/Store/P...tructional-DVD

Were I teaching one such, I'd make sure the bike is easily handled by the noob. Frex, I'd not put a short woman on a GS because it'd intimidate her. Mass and seat height seem to be the most intimidating factors to these guys.

I'd start on well maintained forest roads with some loose stuff on top. Get the noob used to the idea that the bike will 'walk' around some but will always average out to going straight. That will take some time and use that time to review the DVD and learn more lessons to convey.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:01 AM   #1117
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Very well said Slide,

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Old 10-16-2012, 08:38 PM   #1118
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This really is an amazing demonstration of why motorcycles are sometimes not seen:

http://www.msf-usa.org/motion.html

If you do as instructed and stare at the center green dot the yellow dots will disappear from time to time...
If you nod your head up and down or back and forth the yellow dots always remain visible....

This lends STRONG support to the suggestion that motorcyclists should be careful to always be changing their relative position to other motorists..... slow up a little bit, speed up a little bit ... switch to the other side of the lane, but never stay stationary from other vehicle's perspective...
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:47 PM   #1119
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Dual Sport is Great! As many have said, I learned on dirt many years ago and it was my true love. I rode street for a while and had some near misses that put me off riding for 30 years. Recently started riding again and couldn't be happier. That said, I know I'm a noob all over again and need to develop my skills

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Old 10-27-2012, 06:56 AM   #1120
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:02 AM   #1121
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Chipsealed roads........

Have we talked about chipsealed roads?
If not ... they suck.....
Here in the USA at least it has been my experience that the "chips" of rock are over applied leaving a very slippery surface on newly "sealed" roads.

Once you have seen a few of them, they are recognizable as the entire road bed (at least in the beginning) is extremely uniform in color, but is slippery as hell!!! take care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipseal

"Although chip seal is an effective low cost way to repair road, it has some drawbacks. Loose crushed stone is often left on the surface, due to under-application of bitumen or over application of stone. If not removed, this can cause safety and environmental problems such as cracked windshields, loss-of-control crashes (especially for motorcyclists, bicyclists and small trucks), and deposition of foreign material into drainage courses. Therefore, it is very important to sweep the road after the emulsion sets."
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:51 PM   #1122
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Things like..."Standing up on the pegs or at least putting more pressure on them makes the bike less top heavy and better to control at low speed".

this is simply untrue -- raising up on the pegs will elevated the center of mass of the bike/rider combination.


To add to this thread, "Just because you know HOW to do something, you shouldn't necessarily do it."

This will help you avoid rebuilding carbs at night in the rain in a vain attempt to cure the out of fuel condition in which you find yourself.
I do wish I could have been there for the rebuild.
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Old 10-29-2012, 04:54 PM   #1123
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Have we talked about chipsealed roads?
If not ... they suck.....
Here in the USA at least it has been my experience that the "chips" of rock are over applied leaving a very slippery surface on newly "sealed" roads.

Once you have seen a few of them, they are recognizable as the entire road bed (at least in the beginning) is extremely uniform in color, but is slippery as hell!!! take care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipseal

"Although chip seal is an effective low cost way to repair road, it has some drawbacks. Loose crushed stone is often left on the surface, due to under-application of bitumen or over application of stone. If not removed, this can cause safety and environmental problems such as cracked windshields, loss-of-control crashes (especially for motorcyclists, bicyclists and small trucks), and deposition of foreign material into drainage courses. Therefore, it is very important to sweep the road after the emulsion sets."
Chipseal is pretty common on the rural roads of Pennsylvania.. My buddy and I once hit a 'saddle' lower spot that for some reason accumulated a lot of the loose gravel... problem being that we were going at a pretty good rate on the bikes, and could not make out which way the road turned at the top of the rise due to the way the trees were. There was NO doubt the road turned, as all we were seeing was green leaves, but there was also no reference for which way it turned. All I knew is that by the time I instinctively was going for the brakes I saw my buddy's rear tire skidding and stone chips being thrown just ahead of me. I knew there was trouble and that, on my current trajectory, I would be lucky if I was thrown into the woods instead of hitting a tree head on immediately upon entering the forest.

I wrote the rest up as the strangest thing I almost hit in that thread:

"I've seen a lot of road debris / mattresses / etc., but I'd say the strangest thing wasn't all that strange...

Just a dog, in his own front yard, that was barking and running out after my buddy (at a 90-degree angle) who blew the turn (really, the turn wasn't the issue as we never saw it - many feet beforehand was gravel that we didn't expect in a dip in the road, with the top of the road hidden by trees on both sides that, ideally, we would have braked well in advance for and eventually judged - but there would be no good braking on that gravel) and ended up, luckily, skidding through a conveniently placed front yard (we both thought each of us were in for an ambulance ride, and the bikes totalled against trees). As mad as that dog was, and as hard as he was charging, he seemed shocked when he realized that even farther into his yard, and 10 feet behind the motorcyclist he was chasing, another biker was headed right for him.

At that point the dog stopped both barking and running just in time to watch me skid across the wet grass right in front of him (probably one foot from his nose), then across his gravel driveway at the far end of the property, then across the wet grass at the northern end of the property. Interestingly, he was so shocked that he didn't bark nor chase after us afterward, either, lol."
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19840381

That both riders and bikes came out unscathed was a miracle in my book. I don't know the family who cleared that little section of woods there and put a house on it, but boy am I thankful for them.
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:56 PM   #1124
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Deer Crossings .........

Deer crossings ... any questions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI8UPHMzZm8

PS: Glad I'm not the only guy swearing as chip-seal roads................
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:42 AM   #1125
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Here the road dept seems bent on killing us with this chip seal. I've hit sections where the gravel has been piled into windrows maybe 15 cm / 6" deep. At least as bad as the riding are the cars and trucks coming from the other direction spraying riders with waves of sharp gravel.
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