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Old 06-12-2012, 10:24 PM   #1621
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Mine changed quickly under influence of how freakin' expensive maintenance is on a BMW.

I'm glancing closely at a V-Strom 650 ABS Adventure. Crash bars, hard bags, fairing/windshield, and about 5 grand cheaper then what a Road King costs... I'm gonna have to look at one, and talk it over.

Don't think my pops will like it. He isn't one for anything that ain't a huge engine, v-twin, cruiser. Momma will like the idea though, of saving that money.
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Old 06-13-2012, 05:04 AM   #1622
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Mine changed quickly under influence of how freakin' expensive maintenance is on a BMW.

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Everyone has their own taste in motorcycles. But, learn to do your own maintenance and not only will it save a ton of money over your motorcycling career, but it will free you from such considerations and therefore limit your choices much less.

IF you're using a dealer for everything then yeah, the BMWs are going to cost. I have an'03 R1150GS and since new it's been to the dealer's exactly twice. Once for the initial service and once, very early on, for a warranty repair. The rest has been taken care of in my garage. Not only has it saved a TON of $$ but I find it's actually quicker, easier, and requires less downtime than making appointments, transporting it to the dealer, going back to pick it up, etc.. Of course I do live about an hour away from my nearest dealer and would have to trailer it up and back. So, figuring in dealing with the trailer, loading and unloading, the drive back and forth, twice... Yeah, much quicker to just do it myself, not to mention that I trust myself to take a little more time and do things "right"...
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:05 AM   #1623
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That Moto Guzzi is spectacular.

I want this



Took a test ride a few weeks ago. Now watching what I eat to save money to buy one next winter/spring.

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Old 06-13-2012, 08:14 AM   #1624
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Out of all the bikes I've looked at today, The BMW F800 GS definitely got my attention. Looks comfy, all the power I need, and at a price low enough to buy brand new and some fancy farkles. Only downside, a chain drive.

Yeah, it would be much better with BMW's TradeMark self-imploding
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:53 AM   #1625
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it's just paint and stickers. now go get yourself a standard, SE or T100 and have fun
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:04 AM   #1626
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Everyone has their own taste in motorcycles. But, learn to do your own maintenance and not only will it save a ton of money over your motorcycling career, but it will free you from such considerations and therefore limit your choices much less.

IF you're using a dealer for everything then yeah, the BMWs are going to cost. I have an'03 R1150GS and since new it's been to the dealer's exactly twice. Once for the initial service and once, very early on, for a warranty repair. The rest has been taken care of in my garage. Not only has it saved a TON of $$ but I find it's actually quicker, easier, and requires less downtime than making appointments, transporting it to the dealer, going back to pick it up, etc.. Of course I do live about an hour away from my nearest dealer and would have to trailer it up and back. So, figuring in dealing with the trailer, loading and unloading, the drive back and forth, twice... Yeah, much quicker to just do it myself, not to mention that I trust myself to take a little more time and do things "right"...
Funny thing is, that's what I'm going to school for (well, not BMW, specifically). It's just something that I like to keep in mind.

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Yeah, it would be much better with BMW's TradeMark self-imploding
shaft drives.

I have never owned a bike that didn't have a shaft drive. Chain kinda puts me on edge, even though it's probably nothing to actually deal with.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:30 AM   #1627
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it's just paint and stickers. now go get yourself a standard, SE or T100 and have fun
Look closer. There is a bit more to it than that that would be quite spendy to replicate.
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Old 06-13-2012, 11:10 AM   #1628
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I made the mistake of going to a Triumph dealership last Saturday.

I want a Scrambler in a bad way.

So, do I sell the DL1000 first, or just buy the Scrambler and sort it all out later?
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Old 06-13-2012, 11:17 AM   #1629
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:36 PM   #1630
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Look closer. There is a bit more to it than that that would be quite spendy to replicate.
i'm not looking to start an argument, i'm looking to learn, so please don't take this the wrong way. the S.M. edition pissed me off because i couldn't see any non parts-bin differences.

from what i can see it's a t100 with:

different paint
different stickers
scrambler 1-up seat w/ rack
scrambler headlight and front signal arrangement
ignition key relocation
fork gaiters

it's not like it has a more powerful engine, more potent brakes, more refined suspension, or frame changes. what's the big deal with it?
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:08 PM   #1631
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That Moto Guzzi is spectacular.

I want this



Took a test ride a few weeks ago. Now watching what I eat to save money to buy one next winter/spring.

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Great choice, Mike.

You'll love it if you get one. I've had this one since November. It's an '09 I bought with 2200 miles on it. I find the K12S/K13S to be just a superb all-around bike. Ridiculous power when you want it, easy to ride and modulate when you don't care. Plenty sporty and plenty comfortable. The essence of a sport-touring bike, to me. A bit spendy new, but used ones with very few miles crop up all the time for a (relative) song. Should've been in Colorado this week on tour, but got sidelined by a gallbladder attack a coupla weeks ago. Surgery next week, but planning to try the tour again in July.

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Old 06-13-2012, 01:13 PM   #1632
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Funny thing is, that's what I'm going to school for (well, not BMW, specifically). It's just something that I like to keep in mind.
In that case don't worry about it. If you have mechanical aptitude you just need some basic tools, a decent service manual, and advrider, and you're free of your dealer except for the occasional part.


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I have never owned a bike that didn't have a shaft drive. Chain kinda puts me on edge, even though it's probably nothing to actually deal with.
Funny 'cause I'm just the opposite! A chain is honest and simple. All of the parts are visible and very easily inspected and maintained. Use decent quality stuff, give it minimal attention, clean it on occasion and give it a quick glance and wiggle semi-regularly and you're good to go. When it does come time to replace it, pretty much anyone with a couple of wrenches can replace the whole set in well under an hour.

A shaft on the other hand has all its important bits hidden from view. If you want to inspect things like splines for wear you better plan to set a weekend aside instead of the 30 seconds required by a chain and sprocket set. Even then, and even with meticulous maintenance, often there is no warning before a shaft goes tits up, whereas if you suffer a chain failure you really weren't doing your part.

Shaft drives are more expensive, are heavier, more complex, and you really just have no idea of their relative health until one of the components fails. With a chain, you just look at the sprocket teeth and do a simple check on chain wear. If it's good, it's good.

Not to say that shafts don't have advantages. They don't have to be adjusted, cleaned or lubed. But by the same token you really have no way of checking them simply either. It's that not knowing part puts me on edge.

I've had many bikes with chains. I have the GS with a shaft, and now have a Buell with a belt. I like parts of all three systems actually. But, with BMW's reputation for FD failures and spline wear, I have to admit that it's always in the back of my mind. I took the Buell down a gravel road last weekend and I have to admit that it made me a little nervous knowing that an errant rock thrown up between that big wide belt and pulley could ruin my day. But, in all the years I've ridden chain drive bikes I just give 'em a quick glance and a tug for tension and never give them another thought. Then on occasion I'll give them a wipe-down with a kerosene or WD40 soaked rag and maybe, just maybe a light amount of chain lube. Never had any problems out of any of my chains or sprockets.

I definitely wouldn't let that be a deciding factor on a motorcycle purchase though. At least not in general, although I will admit that something like BMW's reputation might factor in a bit.

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Old 06-13-2012, 05:18 PM   #1635
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I made the mistake of going to a Triumph dealership last Saturday.

I want a Scrambler in a bad way.

So, do I sell the DL1000 first, or just buy the Scrambler and sort it all out later?
You're asking that question here? Buy it! Work out the rest later. Carry on...
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