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Old 03-01-2012, 03:40 PM   #1171
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ZRX100, 1200 is Exactly what I was referring to I the Judge Victory photo.
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Old 03-01-2012, 07:44 PM   #1172
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This is more like what we need a clean basic standard with ballls. Just move the foot work back a bit a little lower handle bar. Not all Vtwins need the foot forward, pull back bar. Its all about balance weight equally distributed on the butt, the wrists and the pegs. Why don't more people and manufacturers get it?
G-Jim, I agree. Unfortunately with Victory's current exhaust moving the pegs further back will be next to impossible. My heel fouls the rear header where it is now. Not objectionable, you just know it's there. The bars could certainly be lower but no matter what many will want them closer. At 6'2" I thought they were fine.

I can't talk myself out of it.
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Old 03-01-2012, 08:01 PM   #1173
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This.

Because sometimes I just want a motorcycle.

A modern Suzuki (GSX1250FA) built as a Wes Cooley GS1000S replica, and Honda as a Freddy Spencer (the silver and blue 900) replica, then a San Jose BMW/David Emde replica. LET THE REPLICATING BEGIN!
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Old 03-01-2012, 08:30 PM   #1174
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It's a throwback to Victory's early days with a really healthy dose of refinement.
Am I the only one that finds this statement humorous/laughable and slightly absurd?

"Victory's early days" What would those be?


Note. This is in no way a poke at wanting the bike. If it is the bike you want it is the bike you should have. I just thought it humorous.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:08 PM   #1175
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Am I the only one that finds this statement humorous/laughable and slightly absurd?

"Victory's early days" What would those be?



1999...



2012...



Granted, not a long time compared to most, but technically, "throwback" is still correct.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:44 PM   #1176
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crappy little craigslist pic but this looks interesting..



It's been listed for a while, and relisted a couple of times. It's an 03 has bags and some aftermarket stuff, less than 7000 miles.
Depending on the price, that could be a very good deal. Those little guys are solid performers. I'm not sure which version of the California that is (Stone, EV, etc.) but the small blocks have quite a following.

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Old 03-02-2012, 12:29 AM   #1177
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Old 03-02-2012, 04:45 AM   #1178
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This is more like what we need a clean basic standard with ballls. Just move the foot work back a bit a little lower handle bar. Not all Vtwins need the foot forward, pull back bar. Its all about balance weight equally distributed on the butt, the wrists and the pegs. Why don't more people and manufacturers get it?
Because no one buys the standards in the kind of numbers they buy forward control cruisers. The heart of the cruiser riding segment is people who want to ride bikes like other people ride, regardless of function. It's about sound, look, and image.
And when the manufacturer's design people go to bike events, or anywhere bikes are, they see the standard models they sold have been converted to apes and forward controls by the "me too" crowd.

It's not a big deal though. Probably 90% of these bikes will get new pipes. Just fit a pipe that will leave room for mids, buy the mids and install them. Ride. Be happy.

As an example, look at bikes like the mean streak, M90, warrior, and even the V-max next time you go to a bike event. Most will have been cruiserized instead of pushed farther into ballsy power cruiser that handles territory.

Obviously, people can do whatever they want with their bikes. I'm just saying that it's not a viable segment off the floor. One can pick from a lot of good bikes to base a better handling v-twin machine, if one wants to do the work.
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:55 AM   #1179
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Am I the only one that finds this statement humorous/laughable and slightly absurd?

"Victory's early days" What would those be?


Note. This is in no way a poke at wanting the bike. If it is the bike you want it is the bike you should have. I just thought it humorous.
Ride a 1st generation (especially a '99 or '00). You'll get my reference and not think it absurd at all.
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:56 AM   #1180
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1999...

2012...
They both have two wheels, forward controls, a bee-hive looking motor and say "Victory" but other than that they do not appear the same at all.
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Old 03-02-2012, 08:16 AM   #1181
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1999...



2012...



Granted, not a long time compared to most, but technically, "throwback" is still correct.
I think a better bike to compare the new bike to would be Victory's old "Sport Cruiser". I think the Judge and Sport Cruiser share a similar goal.



Like the Sport Cruiser, I believe the new Judge will fail as well. It just seems like anytime a company tries to "standard-ify" a cruiser like Harley did with the Street Rod they just don't do very well. Harley has always offered standard versions of the Sportster but most people want the custom or old-timey look. I give credit to these companies for try to expand their lineups and market.

Standards just don't sell well in the US. The only one I can think of that you could say was a success was the Monster, but even then most of the desirable ones had low bars or clip-ons and were pretty racey. The new Honda CB1000R looks like a great performance standard and I predict they will sit in showrooms.

There are three primary motorcycle markets in the US: cruisers, crotch rockets, and MX bikes. Everything else is hit or miss.
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Old 03-02-2012, 08:21 AM   #1182
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Depending on the price, that could be a very good deal. Those little guys are solid performers. I'm not sure which version of the California that is (Stone, EV, etc.) but the small blocks have quite a following.

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Old 03-02-2012, 05:04 PM   #1183
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I want a Multistrada S Touring.

Hopefully, early next year i will get one, but first I need to sell MY GS 1200 11".
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:08 PM   #1184
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I think a better bike to compare the new bike to would be Victory's old "Sport Cruiser". I think the Judge and Sport Cruiser share a similar goal.
I was looking for a pic of that one when my time ran out.....I couldn't agree more....
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:22 PM   #1185
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crappy little craigslist pic but this looks interesting..



It's been listed for a while, and relisted a couple of times. It's an 03 has bags and some aftermarket stuff, less than 7000 miles.
Wrong front fender. The model is called "California Titanium".

Anyone looking at this bike should also ask for documentation that the hydraulic cam recall was done.

The Calis are a nice ride.
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