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Old 04-14-2012, 10:04 PM   #1711
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So the stock suspension sucks?
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:05 PM   #1712
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So the stock suspension sucks?

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Old 04-14-2012, 11:00 PM   #1713
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So the stock suspension sucks?
No, it does not "suck." It has some pretty good stuff in it. It suffers from the same problem that all mass produced motorcycles suffer from, trying to bring a motorcycle to the masses with a suspension that some how balances the light, the heavy, the dirt minded, the sport minded, et. al. Kind of a one bike fits all. This requires a compromise all the way around which shows itself somewhere.

Many people find most suspensions very good. In fact, I would wager that the majority of people never give suspension any thought whatsoever. They focus elsewhere. Not a knock, though I have no doubt several here will run with it as such.

Learning suspension basics and then adjusting it is not difficult but pays dividends far beyond the latest ECU flash, pipe, blah, blah, blah. It's just not something that gets its due attention.
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Old 04-15-2012, 03:36 AM   #1714
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Many people find most suspensions very good. In fact, I would wager that the majority of people never give suspension any thought whatsoever.
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:04 AM   #1715
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So the stock suspension sucks?
Is there any STOCK suspension on ANY mass-produced ADV bike that wouldn't be getting a workout in a like-picture? Two-up, with (I'm guessing) loaded panniers since there are items strapped to the top of said panniers, going through a curve with pretty decent banking at speed? Not one I know of...

My Tenere handles two up rides with my wife (combined fully geared weight of about 310 pounds) with no adverse handling issues at all. Could it be better with aftermarket suspenders tuned for such? Sure, but it does just fine. Then again, I admittedly don't push things with a pillion on the back of a bike.
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Old 04-15-2012, 05:00 AM   #1716
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Wow. Uh, yes, US 129. Front and rear preload cranked to about 3/4 hard. Not sure about the comments. It's nowhere near bottomed or maxed out and the adjustability of the factory suspension is great.
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:14 AM   #1717
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Not "bottomed" or "maxed out" doesn't mean functioning perfectly or properly.

Suspension is very difficult to explain to others. It is truly a case of "the best you know (understand) is the best you've ridden".

I have ridden full aftermarket suspension. It was THE BEST motorcycle experience I have ever had. I still think about it. It gets me giddy just to type about it. I ran to the top of a mountain and professed my enjoyment to all the villagers below. The amount of TRACTION and FEEDBACK was unbelievable. I could FEEL the rear tire donate rubber to the road as I twisted the throttle leaned over on a bumpy road. Leaned over, floating the front wheel, skimming the rear across the pavement? SURE!

I CAN'T WAIT for Penske to finish developing their suspension offering for the S10. I'm 250 without gear. I run a light tail bag. My rear preload is set full "hard". My rear sag is 20mm TOO MUCH. I had to drop the front triple trees 10mm just to get the bike back to "neutral" handling so the front wheel felt more like motorcycle than a boat rudder. When my wife got on for a 2-up ride, we had to return home pretty quick as the bike was borderline DANGEROUS with the resulting geometry. There was simply NO weight on the front end and I couldn't get any feel out of the front end turning.

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Old 04-15-2012, 08:00 AM   #1718
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I was referring to the comments made by others in this thread. I'm 185 and my wife is 130. I have no problem dialing up enough preload with full camping gear and 2 up. I still have a fair amount of adjustment left.

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Old 04-15-2012, 08:11 AM   #1719
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I do increase the tire pressure for that load.
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Old 04-15-2012, 11:35 AM   #1720
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Old 04-15-2012, 11:51 AM   #1721
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Old 04-15-2012, 12:04 PM   #1722
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Wow. Uh, yes, US 129. Front and rear preload cranked to about 3/4 hard. Not sure about the comments. It's nowhere near bottomed or maxed out and the adjustability of the factory suspension is great.
+1

Even though a couple of folks on this forum would tell you that you live in a fantasy world if you think the stock spring is acceptable for anyone over 175 pounds.


Time to get back to the regularly scheduled program of posting pictures. Great picture by the way..
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Old 04-15-2012, 12:56 PM   #1723
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I do increase the tire pressure for that load.
Manual says put 42 psi (2.9bar) in the rear if loaded over 90kg (200lbs). But also says do not load bike with over 209kgs all in.

The rear tyres (69V) are rated to take 325kg (715lbs).

It may be worth thinking about it if you are constantly riding loaded.
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Old 04-15-2012, 01:29 PM   #1724
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No.

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Geeze, did I walk into the wrong neighborhood basketball court? You Tenere guys are quite the feisty bunch. I was just saying it looked awfully close to the ground in the picture. It was a simple question, glad you all feel the way to you. At some point in time, this KLR will leave more to be desired and I am watching the Tenere closely.


p.s. the suspension was one of the first things I changed when I got my bike. Everyone I talk to about getting a KLR, I tell them to plan on a suspension swap. You should too, its well worth it. I recommend the Cogent/Race-tech set-up.
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Old 04-15-2012, 01:36 PM   #1725
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