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Old 10-04-2010, 09:08 AM   #136
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Hi Andoulli,
I have forwarded your post to our tech department. I'll let you know what they say as soon as they get back to me.
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Thanks, but don't spend a lot of time on this. It is more important to me to have the puncture protection provided by TyreGuardian. I am not going to give up puncture protection to know what my tire pressures are all the time. If there is some way to have both, great, but I don't see how that could be. Correct me if I am wrong. TyreGuardian stays in liquid form after installation inside the tube or tire, just like it does inside the bottle It only sets up, like in this photo.....

after the tire is removed from the wheel and the liquid comes in contact with air. OK, I know there is air inside the tire, but probably not enough to allow the liquid to set up completely. After all, it has to be liquid enough to fill in the hole of a puncture, right? I think for me what is happening is, if I come to a stop with the tire valve pointing down, the liquid drips down into the tire valve messing up the operation of the tire pressure sensor.

By the way I was way careful to install the correct amount of product into front and rear tire, 80mls and 90mls respectively. In fact, I may have installed too little. I just checked my bottle and the level shows about 100mls left. That means I used 150mls when I should have used 170mls.

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Old 10-04-2010, 09:39 AM   #137
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Hi Tim,
It's ok to use the rest of the bottle in your tires if you like. A little too much is better than to little. One of the ways to protect a tire in extreme circumstances (3 or 4 punctures a day every day for the life of the tire) is to increase the amount of product in the tire.

I am interested to see how our tech dept responds. Those guys in the tech dept. don't do anything most of the time anyway. Ssssshhhhh. I didn't say that. It's all a typo. LOL

Thanks for using TyreGuardian and safe riding!
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Thanks, but don't spend a lot of time on this. It is more important to me to have the puncture protection provided by TyreGuardian. I am not going to give up puncture protection to know what my tire pressures are all the time. If there is some way to have both, great, but I don't see how that could be. Correct me if I am wrong. TyreGuardian stays in liquid form after installation inside the tube or tire, just like it does inside the bottle It only sets up, like in this photo.....

after the tire is removed from the wheel and the liquid comes in contact with air. OK, I know there is air inside the tire, but probably not enough to allow the liquid to set up completely. After all, it has to be liquid enough to fill in the hole of a puncture, right? I think for me what is happening is, if I come to a stop with the tire valve pointing down, the liquid drips down into the tire valve messing up the operation of the tire pressure sensor.

By the way I was way careful to install the correct amount of product into front and rear tire, 80mls and 90mls respectively. In fact, I may have installed too little. I just checked my bottle and the level shows about 100mls left. That means I used 150mls when I should have used 170mls.

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Old 10-04-2010, 01:09 PM   #138
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I have put at least 1000 miles on my F650 since filling my tubes with TyreGuardian with no balance problems. No punctures yet, but will also puncture both tires before installing new tires and tubes.

It is my opinion that TyreGuardian does not work with the TireGard tire pressure monitoring system. Two weeks after installing TyreGuardian my new tire pressure monitoring system arrived in the mail. I immediately installed the valve stem sensors on my motorcycle. Everything worked fine, but after riding the bike for 50 miles or so the pressure readings shown by the receiver dropped from 35 lbs to 5 lbs. A tire pressure check with my tire pressure guage showed no drop in tire pressure. It did not occur to me there might be a compatibility problem with TyreGuardian. After spending some time on the phone with the nice folks at Show Chrome (the distributer of TireGard) they agreed to send me a new System. The new system did the same thing, arghhhh. That is when the light bulb went off in my head and I realized there might be a problem with TyreGuardian. I put the sensors on my car and they worked fine. I guess the latex layer formed in the tire tube must be getting into the valve stem and interfering with the flow of air to the pressure sensor screwed on the valve.

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Hi Tim,
The following is what our magnificent, smart, good looking and forgiving tech group has to say. If you can't tell they saw my smart ass post about them not doing anything!
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"Please review and convey the following to andoulli:
The guys in tech support appreciate your business - always great to hear from customers. Feeling like the Maytag guys. While your hypothesis sounds possible, it does not seem all that likely. Rotational forces force TyreGuardian as far away from the center of the wheel as possible. Let's assume that the product stays entirely liquid (no skinning at all). If you happen to stop with the valve perfectly vertical, capillary forces (the attraction of the liquid to itself) and gravity will tend to pull the liquid toward the bottom of the tire without dripping. (Of course, as I explain this, I can imagine the fluid dynamics as the motorcycle slows down - certainly possible to imagine some drops jumping of off outer edge, trying to make baskets into the valve stem. Keep reading.) But the biggest issue we see is that you are still able to check tire pressures with a standard tire pressure gauge AND the TireGuard system functions properly when you connect it to your car tires. If TyreGuardian was getting into the valve stems only, one would think a normal pressure gauge would fail to read correctly as well. If the TyreGuardian was getting on the sensor only, one would think the sensor would fail on the car as well.

One thing to try - wear safety goggles and any other appropriate protective gear before attempting this - remove the valve stem and clean the stem with a pipe cleaner (or similar) and clean the valve core (just rub off any TyreGuardian that might be on it and check operation of the spring).

We have tested with a TPMS system that is similar in operation to the TireGuard system and we have not seen issues with it in a car application. We can move it to one of the Harley's to see if we can reproduce the problem. If the problem persists after cleaning, could you send us your tubes when you trade them out? We'd love to inspect the valve stems and valves to see if we can observe anything there."


Thanks Tim, keep us posted on how things turn out.
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Old 10-04-2010, 02:19 PM   #139
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OK guys, thanks for the thoughtful response. I am going to let a friend who does not use TyreGuardian try out my sensors and receiver to see if they work on his bike.

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Old 10-05-2010, 07:48 AM   #140
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OK guys, thanks for the thoughtful response. I am going to let a friend who does not use TyreGuardian try out my sensors and receiver to see if they work on his bike.

Tim
Great idea! Please keep us posted on the result.
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Old 10-05-2010, 07:41 PM   #141
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That was funny!

And Max, I was looking back through the posts and it was not till I did that I noticed how many footpegs you have sticking out all over on your scoot! MAN! You could carry four people if the seat was longer!![/quote]

I know...right?
I had to clean my glasses! WTF? Then I thought...well he came all the way from Texas. Maybe he brought the whole family along for the ride! Either that or he learned to ride with Barnum and Bailey where he was one of the main attractions..."Come one come all...see the six legged man"!

See what excessive Cabernet will do to you? I'll shut up now...
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:27 AM   #142
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And Max, I was looking back through the posts and it was not till I did that I noticed how many footpegs you have sticking out all over on your scoot! MAN! You could carry four people if the seat was longer!!
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I know...right?
I had to clean my glasses! WTF? Then I thought...well he came all the way from Texas. Maybe he brought the whole family along for the ride! Either that or he learned to ride with Barnum and Bailey where he was one of the main attractions..."Come one come all...see the six legged man"!

See what excessive Cabernet will do to you? I'll shut up now...
Oh unenlightened ones!
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Old 10-08-2010, 03:33 AM   #143
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Pretty Funny Max!

I am starting to think you have BOTH graduated from the Cabernet to something with a little higher octane!
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Old 10-08-2010, 12:38 PM   #144
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Pretty Funny Max!

I am starting to think you have BOTH graduated from the Cabernet to something with a little higher octane!

Naww. This is me sober. You can imagine what it's like otherwise.

Happy Friday! I'm going riding this weekend hell or high water. I'll let ya know which riding positions were utilized.

Everyone ride safe and have fun!
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Old 10-09-2010, 09:39 PM   #145
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I'm still not quite clear; does TG remain liquidy inside the tire. And only excessive exposure to air dries it? ie does it puddle in the bottom of the tire when stopped?

Or does the initial install and 10 minute ride leave it coated inside the tire like that stretchy latex looking pic shows?

PS: I already have some ready for my next tire/tube change, just curious ya know.
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Old 10-10-2010, 11:16 AM   #146
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I'm still not quite clear; does TG remain liquidy inside the tire. And only excessive exposure to air dries it? ie does it puddle in the bottom of the tire when stopped?

Or does the initial install and 10 minute ride leave it coated inside the tire like that stretchy latex looking pic shows?

PS: I already have some ready for my next tire/tube change, just curious ya know.
Hi thistle66,
The initial install and ride give you the stretchy latex look in the picture. Cool huh? Install the product and forget it, knowing your tire is protected until it's time for new tires.
Safe riding thistle and thanks for the question and purchase,
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Old 10-10-2010, 06:43 PM   #147
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Cool. Thanks!
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:40 AM   #148
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Noyce Pix!

If that's you "sober" than you'll fit right in with my riding loons "The Gentleman's Express". One of'em just broke down (not yet..its only a few weeks old) and bought a "Glide" to add to the stable of foreign and exotics. Give a shout when next in the "Bay Area"

Oh...and the TG works great! The bike's been in the garage since installing and "no" flats!
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:57 AM   #149
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If that's you "sober" than you'll fit right in with my riding loons "The Gentleman's Express". One of'em just broke down (not yet..its only a few weeks old) and bought a "Glide" to add to the stable of foreign and exotics. Give a shout when next in the "Bay Area"

Oh...and the TG works great! The bike's been in the garage since installing and "no" flats!
Your riding buddy has my sincere sympathy. Next time I'm up there I'll give you a shout.

Glad the TG is working fine, we are proud of our ability to protect even in the most severe circumstances!
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Old 10-18-2010, 10:51 AM   #150
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Max, what if I filled my tire per the install directions, but instead of riding 5 min...I rode 30 min (to work).

Is that bad?
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