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Old 10-18-2010, 11:21 AM   #151
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Max, what if I filled my tire per the install directions, but instead of riding 5 min...I rode 30 min (to work).

Is that bad?
Hi GillaFunk,
Absolutely not. The reason for riding after installation is to distribute TyreGuardian evenly inside the tire. During this time TyreGuardian is soaking into the pores of the tire covering the tread area.

I usually run the tire around 5 miles after the installation. More is not required but doesn't hurt a thing. You are all set to go.
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Old 10-19-2010, 02:49 PM   #152
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Old 10-20-2010, 09:31 AM   #153
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TyreGuardian Challenge Contest Addendum!

We thought a little clarification might be in order for the contest. Specifically the part about creating punctures in the tire/s.

Ride your bike over what you use to puncture the tire and continue for a short distance. Why do this?

TyreGuardian uses not only the air pressure but the movement of the structure of the tire around the puncture. The centrifugal force of the tire spinning also helps the migration of the product to the puncture.

How you do this is up to you guys. Nails in a 2 x 4 or whatever you come up with works for us. Be creative! LOL

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Well are you?

I am challenging all of you extremely wise, worldly, good looking and sophisticated inmates who have had the gifted foresight to purchase TyreGuardian a chance to win
$250.00 worth of penetration protection for your tires from TYREGUARDIAN.

Here's the deal, two ways to enter:
1. If you have a puncture* in a tire treated with TyreGuardian, enter a post in this thread with a picture or video of the puncture and your comments.

2. If you have a tire that is treated with TyreGuardian and ready for replacement. Prior to dismounting and replacing the tire, puncture* it and include a picture or video with your comments and post in this thread.
*Punctures exceeding Ό” for tubeless tires and ⅛” for tube type tires are outside of the protection parameters of TyreGuardian.

Caveats
1. Posts, pictures or video will be considered released from any copyright and may be used in TyreGuardian promotional materials at the discretion of Motorsport Solutions.

2. Motorsport Solutions is not promoting purposely puncturing tires and then continuing to ride or drive on them. Entry option #2 is for tires which are to be replaced immediately after conducting the test.

3. If a puncture is accidental, you may post into the thread with your comments pictures or video and it will be considered a valid entry.

4. Post as many times as you like but each inmate entering will only receive one chance in the drawing.
We have great confidence in TYREGUARDIAN and its ability to seal punctures as advertised. Although due to legal considerations (we don’t want to get sued) we cannot condone nor accept responsibility for any behavior which could cause damage or injury to a person or property. Please follow this link for all of the contest rules http://www.tireguardian.com/pages/co...isclaimer.html

This contest will close for new entries at midnight of 12/24/2010. The winner will be announced in this thread 1/1/2011 and by private message to the winner.

Good luck inmates!
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:14 PM   #154
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TyreGuardian Failure!

Well, the bad news is one of the inmates had a failure while doing the puncture experiment for the contest. The good news is we know why and it's preventable.

One of our esteemed colleagues was driving nails into his TyreGuardian protected rear tire for the contest (please refer to the contest addendum posted above). The tire pressure went from 42lbs to 10lbs immediately. He took pictures of his test and sent them to me. I want to express my gratitude to him for giving me the opportunity to investigate the failure.

It is fortunate we live less than 100 miles from each other. We made arrangements to meet so I could follow him to his ranch. I knew he was a serious rider and his bike garage confirmed my impression. He has a very nice well equipped garage including air compressor, bike lift, tire changer and a lot of other cool stuff. Next time my old lady kicks me out I'm asking if he'll rent it to me.

Below is a picture of how the TyreGuardian looked after he dismounted the tire.

Not good. TyreGuardian did not achieve uniform adhesion to the tread area inside the tire.

What caused the TyreGuardian to fail? Water. Our friend purges water from his air compressor tank after every use. This is an excellent habit. I have a similar compressor and I purge mine also with one difference. I have to purge the tank before and after using it due to condensation. Water always sprays out when I crack the valve. This was the culprit. Enough water had condensed inside his tank to affect the TyreGuardian. It doesn't take a lot and you won't notice it when airing up the tire.

When installing TyreGuardian into a new tire make sure it is dry and free of any other material inside. Any foreign substance will prevent a successful TyreGuardian installation.

If your having a tire installed at a shop make sure and ask them if they have a water filter on their compressor and if they purge it daily. Always purge your home air compressor prior to using it for TyreGuardian installation.

Installing TyreGuardian into a new tire gives you the most bang for your TyreGuardian bucks and makes it much easier to have a successful installation.

Thanks again to our inmate friend for his patience, open mind and hospitality. He was so nice I didn't try to sell him shares in my next Broadway production!

Ride Safe!
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:49 PM   #155
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Tire failure

Well guys, I'm the guilty party. In my effort to conduct my unscientific-scientific experiment, I went overboard. My plan was to put my GSA on the center stand and drive roofing nails into the tire then measure tire pressure.

The problem with this is the tire never really had a chance. I put enough nails in it to almost make it look like a studded snow tire. In a previous post we are directed to continue riding so that centrifigal force can do its work and help Tyre Guardian do its job. Didn't do that. In other words, I conducted a flawed experiment. Add the water in the tire from my compressor and I created the perfect environment for product failure.

When I contacted Tyre Guardian with my concern their response was immediate. I've always figured that when a product fails there is at least a 50% chance that it is operator error. This operator is claiming responsibility.

Two things....first is I plan to continue using Tyre Guardian and secondly...now that you have my pics please enter them in the contest.

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Old 10-20-2010, 02:33 PM   #156
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In the contest

Yes sir. You are the first entrant in the drawing and thanks for your support it was a pleasure meeting you.
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Old 10-22-2010, 01:30 PM   #157
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Hey Jim,

I'm glad to see a lot of inmates have been educated about your product and you've probably saved a few of us from getting stuck by the side of the road with a flat.

You probably answered this already, but here I go again. Some BMW touring bikes come with factory tire pressure monitors. They are attached to the valve stem on the inside of the wheel. I suspect adding TyreGuardian to that tire is not a good idea since it will have to filter through the tire pressure monitor transmitter. Or... I am completely off base?

I suspect BMW cars use the same setup, and I see you sell car sized TyreGuardian containers...
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Old 10-22-2010, 02:15 PM   #158
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Hey Jim,

I'm glad to see a lot of inmates have been educated about your product and you've probably saved a few of us from getting stuck by the side of the road with a flat.

You probably answered this already, but here I go again. Some BMW touring bikes come with factory tire pressure monitors where are mounted attached to the valve stem on the inside of the tire. I suspect adding TyreGuardian to that tire is not a good idea since it will have to filter through the tire pressure monitor transmitter. Or... I am completely off base?

I suspect BMW cars use the same setup, and I see you sell car sized TyreGuardian containers...
Hi GB,
TyreGuardian is compatible with TPMS systems. We have tested with various auto TPMS without problem. If the valve does become clogged usually a blast of air will clear the valve. If that doesn't do it a small brush to clean the TyreGuardian out of the valve is recommended and you are ready to roll.

I don't know if the BMW motorcycle TPMS is the same as their automobile setup but I do know the BMW and other make auto tire pressure monitoring systems have been thoroughly tested with TyreGuardian.

I recommend TyreGuardian for not only motorcycles but all kinds of cars, trucks, construction equipment, etc. Thanks for the great question GB!
Happy Friday and safe riding,
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Old 10-28-2010, 09:58 AM   #159
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Eh? MAKE SURE the inside of the tire is CLEAN AND DRY

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Well, the bad news is one of the inmates had a failure while doing the puncture experiment for the contest. The good news is we know why and it's preventable.



Oh PLEASE..THATS not a failure!

Max, good speaking with you today. I'm glad we got my issue sorted out.


I had ordered a bottle of this stuff up for my FJR 6 weeks or so ago. I installed some in a new front at installation, and the rest in the existing rear. All went fine for about 3 weeks or so until.....


I noticed a weird light vibration in the back end at speeds above 55mph. It got worse as I accelerated. Not knowing what was up, I took the bike to the dealer and they checked it out, and even test rode it. They told me I was nuts, no vibration (yes, it was THAT minor). Last night I went in to replace the rear wheel and had the mechanic test for balance before he took the old tire off.
Out of Balance.



We pull the wheel off and find this






I thought maybe it was a dead rat




I PM'd Max last night and he rang me this AM What a stand-up guy.


So, as Max explained it, either two things happened, the tire had an excessive amount of powder on the tire wall prior to installation (as you can see attached to the wad of goop pictures), OR when I was refilling the tire after installation there was an excessive amount of moisture in the compressor that made its way into the tire and ganking up the hardening process of the Guardian product.


So, ladies, just to reiterate, make sure your tire is nice and clean on the inside if its new at install, and make sure the compressor is moisture free when refilling your tire after product install.



I've got about 2k miles on the front tire with this stuff running in it. Even on a big sports bike like my FJR I have had ABSOLOUTLY no balance or wobble issues on the front tire, from 0-120mph. Smooth as silk. This rear was just an installation hick-up.


I've not had any punctures on the front, but I'll be ordering another bottle and regooping the rear on this new tire.


And thanks again Max for ringing me so quickly and for helping me get this resolved.


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Old 10-28-2010, 12:02 PM   #160
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Ya just have to make sure the tire is CLEAN inside

My pleasure GillaFunk. I enjoyed our conversation although I'm sorry you had an installation problem.

A successful installation of TyreGuardian is all about having a tire that is devoid of moisture and debris before installing TyreGuardian.

Moisture or other materials in the tire create a barrier stopping TyreGuardian from soaking into the tire. When it can't soak in and grip the inside of the tire it will ball up like GillaFunk's tire or not get complete coverage like dsavages tire.

Home Installation
I'm sure a lot of you have small air compressors at home. I use one I picked up at Home Depot. You must make sure it is not putting moisture into your tire. I purge the tank before I use it. I let it build up some pressure and then open the drain valve. It always has moisture in it. Purging it after use is a good idea but not good enough for a successful installation. If my compressor sits over night it will have water in the tank from condensation.

Mechanic Installation
Basically the same as above. Most good shops will have air dryer/filters on their air compressors. Just make sure you share with them how critical lack of moisture and debris in the tire is to successful installation.

Thanks again for contacting me GillaFunk and have fun on that FJR.
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Old 10-29-2010, 08:49 PM   #161
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Couple questions Jim:

1. Has there been any compatibility testing with TyreGuardian and Dynabeads? If the TyreGuardian coating remains tacky inside the tire, seems that would probably interfere w/ Dynabeads' ability to move freely around the tire - but any idea if the Dynabeads moving around would mess w/ the protective abilities of the TyreGuardian? No brainer here, though, if its one or the other - flat protection over balance.

Edit: Would a larger dynamic balancing medium (like AirSoft pellets) be less likely to have issues when combined w/ TyreGuardian?

2. Would doing a lot of mixed on and off road - and associated refilling of tires due to making tire pressure changes - have any adverse affect on TyreGuardian. Since it works by hardening w/ exposure to fresh air, would lots of refills be bad? Or, is exposure to air at atmospheric pressure the mechanism for hardening?

I'm about to embark on a solo trip from Atlanta to San Diego, staying backroads and hitting trails in Natchez Trace, Big Bend, Moab, Bryce, Mojave - Tyre Guardian is definitely going to have to come with me.

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Couple questions Jim:

1. Has there been any compatibility testing with TyreGuardian and Dynabeads? If the TyreGuardian coating remains tacky inside the tire, seems that would probably interfere w/ Dynabeads' ability to move freely around the tire - but any idea if the Dynabeads moving around would mess w/ the protective abilities of the TyreGuardian? No brainer here, though, if its one or the other - flat protection over balance.

Edit: Would a larger dynamic balancing medium (like AirSoft pellets) be less likely to have issues when combined w/ TyreGuardian?

2. Would doing a lot of mixed on and off road - and associated refilling of tires due to making tire pressure changes - have any adverse affect on TyreGuardian. Since it works by hardening w/ exposure to fresh air, would lots of refills be bad? Or, is exposure to air at atmospheric pressure the mechanism for hardening?

I'm about to embark on a solo trip from Atlanta to San Diego, staying backroads and hitting trails in Natchez Trace, Big Bend, Moab, Bryce, Mojave - Tyre Guardian is definitely going to have to come with me.

Thanks,
Steve
Hi Steve,
First if your'e coming anywhere near the DFW area give me a call (682 433 1305), I'm cheap but you might score a BBQ sandwich.

Now to your questions. No to anything inside the tire with Tyreguardian. Other than the tech guys saying NO here is how I see Tyreguardian inside a tire.
The first layer is the one which fills the pores of the tire surface and holds it in place.
The second layer is liquid allowing Tyreguardian to flow into any puncture immediately. This is also why we don't require pulling the object out of the tire.
The third layer creates a skin containing Tyreguardian and keeping it in place.
Your second question is one in which I can't offer a definitive answer. The third layer's skin is created by exposure to the air. The product will harden a little more every time you expose it to new air. How many times it will take before TyreGuardian's completely hardens/cures we can't know due to the many variables.

It will take quite a few introductions of new air before it affects Tyreguardian but their is no way of giving you a hard number. I'm not an off pavement guy (yet) but If I knew I was going to have to reduce pressure in the tires a lot during a long trip like yours I would double the amount of TyreGuardian in the tire. More TyreGuardian in the tire results in increasing the amount of new air it will take to harden.

What a great ride you have planned. I am envious. Please give me a shout if your going to be within a 100 miles of Ft. Worth the sandwich offer stands and thanks for the great questions.
Ride safe,
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Now to your questions. No to anything inside the tire with Tyreguardian. Other than the tech guys saying NO here is how I see Tyreguardian inside a tire..
Ride safe,
Thanks for the quick answer, Jim. For clarification - is that a "no" to any testing being done, or a "no" to the idea of anything else in the tire with the Tyreguardian.

Right now, I'm planning on going through Austin (where I spent my high school years) and picking up the twisted sisters route out to Big Bend. But, I've added your phone # to my contacts list - I'm a sucker for a good samich. If weather looks like it'll keep me from visiting the folks in Denver (and making a run a Pike's Peak), I'll definitely have more time to work it in.

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Thanks for the quick answer, Jim. For clarification - is that a "no" to any testing being done, or a "no" to the idea of anything else in the tire with the Tyreguardian.

Right now, I'm planning on going through Austin (where I spent my high school years) and picking up the twisted sisters route out to Big Bend. But, I've added your phone # to my contacts list - I'm a sucker for a good samich. If weather looks like it'll keep me from visiting the folks in Denver (and making a run a Pike's Peak), I'll definitely have more time to work it in.

Thanks again,
Steve
Hi Steve,
My tech guys don't want anything in the tire with Tyreguardian except air or nitrogen. I don't know of any testing right now, but I will ask.

I love riding in the hill country. Last time I was down that way I ran into three swarms of butterflies. Dang things kept getting in my helmet. I was very glad they don't have stingers! But it was a little disconcerting trying to ride with the little "darlin's" fluttering around in the helmet with me.

Give me a shout if it works out you are going to be in the neighborhood. I'll take ya to a place where the BBQ melts in your mouth.

Now you've done it. I'm gonna go get me a sandwich. Then ride over to the local Triumph place and look at the tigers. I wonder if I bought one would it make me as cute as "The Darth Peach"? Uh oh, I'm getting delusional from hunger. Catch ya later!
Ride safe,
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Old 10-30-2010, 11:47 AM   #165
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When the product fills a puncture the portion exposed to the outside air hardens, what is not exposed keeps it's flexibility resulting in no air loss and continued protection. Great questions and I agree about the safety aspect, that's why I run TyreGuardian in my motorcycle, cars and trailers.
Thanks and have a great weekend!
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Just saw this post and it sounds a great product i can use. This is a question to your answer above:

"How does the sealant knows if the air is outside or inside so that it hardens when seeing outside air as versus the 'inside air' that it sees?"

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