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Old 08-13-2007, 11:33 AM   #1
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Aprilia Sportcity 250, BV 250 or Vespa GTS

Okay, I won't be longwinded here. Trading in my 125 scoot tomorrow, dealer I bought it from, good trade in price. The Sportcity, BV, and GTS are his options in the 250 range. I know they are all "sister bikes" but any guidance would be appreciated. Will be a commuter during the week (short 10 miler) would like to get out on the open road for an occasional weekend mini-tour. Would be fun to hit some backcountry roads up in southern Oklahoma too. Any distinctions between these scooters that would make one advisable over the others?
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Old 08-13-2007, 12:09 PM   #2
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I have posted a few time about how much I loves my BV250.
Pros:
-Amazing on the road, very stable, less crosswind, can add touring sidecases and topcase
-Great accelleration, haven't felt like I needed any more yet.
-With the big tires you barely notice the imperfections in the road such as potholes and such.
-Handles like a motorcycle
Cons:
-Not much storage room standard
-Not as manouverable in town as small tired scoots
-Wind can make a racket at higher speeds
-Handles like a motorcycle
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:04 AM   #3
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Of the ones you mentioned , the Vespa GTS would be the best by far. However,it also costs a lot more.
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:20 AM   #4
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Okay, I won't be longwinded here. Trading in my 125 scoot tomorrow, dealer I bought it from, good trade in price. The Sportcity, BV, and GTS are his options in the 250 range. I know they are all "sister bikes" but any guidance would be appreciated. Will be a commuter during the week (short 10 miler) would like to get out on the open road for an occasional weekend mini-tour. Would be fun to hit some backcountry roads up in southern Oklahoma too. Any distinctions between these scooters that would make one advisable over the others?
I believe the Sport City and Vespa GTS share the same Piaggio engine, so performance is going to be about the same. The main difference is the wheel size, with the Sport City having 16" wheels, while the GTS has 12" wheels. So the Sport City is going to handle more like an "automatic motorcycle", and the GTS is goint to handle like a normal scooter.

The 16" wheels may be better for you if live in a city with bad roads (bumps, pot holes, rough pavement,...) since the bigger tires tend to ride over the road inperfections better. However, you might find (like me) that a scooter with 12" wheels is more fun since it's a lot more maneuverable in tight areas.

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Old 08-23-2007, 03:51 PM   #5
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I believe the Sport City and Vespa GTS share the same Piaggio engine, so performance is going to be about the same. The main difference is the wheel size, with the Sport City having 16" wheels, while the GTS has 12" wheels. So the Sport City is going to handle more like an "automatic motorcycle", and the GTS is goint to handle like a normal scooter.

The 16" wheels may be better for you if live in a city with bad roads (bumps, pot holes, rough pavement,...) since the bigger tires tend to ride over the road inperfections better. However, you might find (like me) that a scooter with 12" wheels is more fun since it's a lot more maneuverable in tight areas.

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Actually the Sport City has 15" wheels. Personally, that's the one I would choose. I had the chance to try one at an Aprilia Open House and I thought it was much better than the BV or GTS (ans it's the same engine anyway). From Aprilia, you get a better chassis, bigger truck, better looks, and a better front end (the BV feels heavy and the GTS can feel vague at times).
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Old 09-08-2007, 02:16 PM   #6
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Well, I got busy and life got complicated and the new scooter search was put on hold. Got back down to the vespa store a couple weeks ago on a Saturday afternoon and they were just slammed with customers. Did some sitting but no riding. Was going to go back during the next week, but came down with a stomach virus. Had gotten interested in an MP3 as well, after reading about them and sitting on one with the wife. Finally got back to the shop yesterday and sonuvagun if they hadn't come up with an X-9! I'd inquired about one before and they'd told me they couldn't get another one until the '08s came out. I really liked all the other scooters, but the X was just super smooth and I love the way it looks, so that's the new wheels. I'll post a pic sometime soon.

Thanks for all the advice you guys gave and I really did consider it all (even though I didn't follow any of it.
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Old 09-09-2007, 12:32 PM   #7
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Had gotten interested in an MP3 as well, after reading about them and sitting on one with the wife. Finally got back to the shop yesterday and sonuvagun if they hadn't come up with an X-9!

Thanks for all the advice you guys gave and I really did consider it all (even though I didn't follow any of it.
I'm a big fan of the bigger tires if you intend to be doing much riding at 50mph+ . The X-9 or the Sportcity would be my pic for that very fact. My Lx150 is pretty loosy-goosey at speed.
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Old 07-14-2010, 01:15 AM   #8
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Laugh 2008 Aprilia SportCity 50

Anyone know what one of these bikes should be going for condition 3.5 out 5?

2100km's, looks decent. I need something to get me around the city of Victoria BC.

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http://www.usedvictoria.com/classifi...-1300_10277197

Anyone hear of these having any major problems?

Thanks for any advise,
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Old 07-14-2010, 07:33 AM   #9
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I had a sportcity for two years then traded it in last year for a majesty.

Shortly after taking delivery of the SC i wrote a review for the "epinions" web site and then updated it a bit later on.

it's a rather long article so if you don't want to take the time to read it, okay.

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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The Aprilia Sportcity is a new model in 2007. It came to the US to replace the Scarabeo 250. I’ve never even seen a Scarabeo 250, so I can’t provide any thoughts on the differences or similarities between the two. [/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']

Since I have only the Honda Reflex to compare with the Sportcity my impressions of the latter have to be made with the former in mind.

When I took delivery the bike had 25 miles on the clock. The dealer explained that as they assemble each new bike they take them for a thorough test ride to check for squeaks, rattles, leaks, throttle response, brakes and so on.

The ride from the dealer to my house (about 15 miles) largely confirmed what I was told. It was rock solid, the brakes worked well, and the bike performed flawlessly.

My first impressions produced some mixed emotions:

The Sportcity is clearly smaller than the Honda Reflex. It is a bit shorter, has slightly less foot room on the floorboard, and is lighter by about 50 pounds. One issue is the seat height. It’s maybe two to three inches taller than the Reflex. As a result I can only flat foot one foot at a time. It’s close, but I would prefer to flat foot both sides. I’m 6 foot, with a 32 inch inseam, by the way.

The Sportcity does not have a side stand. What were they thinking! The lighter weight makes it easier than the Reflex to get up on the center stand.

The instrumentation does not include a tachometer. No tach will be no big deal for me. The speedometer is analog. The clock, fuel, temperature gauges, and tripmeter are digital. There’s also a digital volt meter.

There’s much less room under the seat than on the Reflex. My full face modular XL helmet won’t quite fit. The gas cap is also under there and feeds the 2.4 gallon tank. (The dealer claims it should be good for 70 mpg. I got 62 with my Reflex and a friend claims 65 on his. A gripe – the octane recommendations in the owner’s manual are in European ratings – not US. I’ve been using 87 octane gas and it’s been running fine.

The battery lurks under a panel at the front of the floorboard.

There’s a very small two-sided “glove box” inside the front leg shield. The skimpy tool kit resides there and takes up a goodly share of the space on the right side. For the smokers, you can squeeze a pack of cigarettes into the same area. However, that’s also the location for the cell phone plug-in, so pack accordingly. The left side is almost useless-maybe sunglasses?

Immediately above the glove box is a swing-out bag holder, but the owner’s manual almost discourages you from using it – swinging weight, you know.

The rear rack is a plastic/heavy vinyl-type material. The warning sticker places the weight limit at 15 pounds. I’ll probably get a top case for it because of the cramped under seat storage. Gotta have a place for the rain suit, walk-around hat, tire repair kit and such.

The next impression was the ride. Smooth, describes it very well. There’s a bit more spring travel, but those 15 inch wheels are really what does it. Much smoother riding than the Reflex.

The Sportcity is fuel injected and makes for very smooth throttle response. Even though they are both 250cc engines, the Sportcity is much torquier than the Reflex. My Reflex had the K-modification done to it, which made for a much better response from a dead stop and cured the dead spot between 30 and 40, but it still had a fair amount of vibration throughout the range. The Sportcity doesn’t. It’s really twist-n-go. Almost no vibration from a dead stop all the way to 50. After I get the break-in done, the real test will be performed – dead stop to my comfort zone top end.

Speaking of the break-in period, the manual is rather vague on the subject. For example, it recommends riding on lots of twisty roads for the first 60 miles. The reason? To get the steering, shocks, and brakes broken in. Then work up to about 300 miles at limited speeds and varying throttle usage to work on the engine and drive train. Then do moderate throttle usage up to about 600 miles at which point they want you back at the dealer for the first service.

And speaking of the manual, I won’t, except to say it’s in two languages, with side-by-side columns in English and French, no index (!), and so many bold face warnings and cautions that one is almost discouraged from reading it. What’s not boldfaced is in a tiny font. I found the manual as a PDF file on Aprilia’s site and downloaded that. I can at least enlarge it to make the tiny print a bit more legible.



Following the above comments by several days, I attended a meeting of our scoot club. After the meeting, we decided to take a ride. By the time I returned home I’d clocked another 75 or so miles. The weather was very hot and humid, and there was a wind of about 25 or so out of the northwest. Our ride was on both highways and byways. Speed limits ranged from 25 to 55.

That said, here are additional impressions.

- that lack of space under the seat is a real pain in the butt. And to open the seat there is a key lock on the side below the seat AND below a bulge in the plastic panel. Standing beside the bike (i'm a six footer) and looking downward, i have to lean over to see the lock. For me, an inconvenience, for shorter riders perhaps no big deal.

And on the subject of storage, I really need to get a top box. I’ve never been a big fan of them because of my sense of aesthetics – that is, I think they “spoil the lines” of scoots. However I feel about it, a top box is a necessary evil.

Since I’m still observing break-in mileage I cooled it a little on a stretch of highway we covered in the ride and I had a difficult time keeping up with the leader. Once I’m past the 300 mile mark it’s fairly obvious there won’t be problem. The scoot moves right out to my self-imposed 55 limit and there was a fair bit of twist left in the throttle. The Sportcity should be good for upwards of 70/75. I think 80 might be possible, but that would be well beyond my aforementioned comfort zone.

The ride, however, was as good as my initial impressions noted earlier. Those big wheels and the long spring travel make for a pretty comfortable ride. I think the seat might have a bit less padding than the flex, but I’m not really sure.

In addition to ride comfort I should mention the handling. It handles very nicely. It may be for a couple of reasons: the big tires, and the lighter weight. It goes where you point it and takes curves very nicely. I’ve always been leery of really tight turns but I’m finding the bike to be pretty easy to make those turns.

A comment on the weight: I find it very easy to move around in the garage. It’s only about 50 pounds lighter than the Reflex, but it just seems so much easier to push backwards while in the saddle or on your feet turning it around. The Sportcity is several inches shorter than the flex, so that may also contribute.

The bike ran very nicely without a hiccup anywhere along the line. It may be because of the fuel injection, but I couldn’t spot a “dead zone” anywhere through the throttle range – very unlike the Reflexes with the same size engine. The Reflex vibrates right from the git-go and has a dead spot between about 30 and 40 but pulls fairly well both above and below that range. Reflexes really benefit from the “K-mod”. While there is some vibration (all “thumpers” ((one cylinder bikes)) do that), the Sportcity’s isn’t particularly noticeable.

I still don’t know about the gas mileage. At the end of the ride I was down to two “bars” on the gas gauge and went ahead and filled it. The 1.75 gallons it took worked out to about 62 mpg but I hadn’t been careful of noting the mileage so I’m waiting for the next fill. (late 2008: with about 4000 miles on the Sportcity, the mileage has gotten progressively better – I’m now averaging 70 to 75 mpg.)

The Sportcity comes with a very small windshield (mentioned above) and is comparable in size to the one on the Reflex Sport model. Mine was the regular Reflex so the windshield was much taller and did an excellent job deflecting wind from your upper body and helmet. I was interested in feeling the difference and this ride (with the above mentioned northwestly winds) was a pretty good tryout. Lo and behold, we were well into the ride before I even thought about it. I wear a full face helmet, but I didn’t even really feel any undue wind on my chest. The only time I noticed the wind was when it was coming from the side and I had to lean into it a little bit.

at this point i'm satisfied with the Sportcity.
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the balance of the first year went well and the second year just as well. the bike was rock solid all the time. no squeaks, rattles, or parts falling off. The bike never gave me a problem.

So, why did i trade it off? simeple really, i wanted more cc's and the majesty provided them.

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