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Old 01-10-2013, 05:18 PM   #15316
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I think all road bikes just have a rivet type master link and everyone just cleans it on the bike. Is this your first road bike/motorcycle? Obviously if you are wanting to take the chain off you'll have to grind it off. And then either put a new rivet link on or a clip type link in which case I'd use the same brand as the chain.
A chain tool will press out the pin, with no grinding necessary.

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Master links are riveted on roadbikes. You can get a new one from your parts house, but they're pretty tough to do without a riveting breaker tool. They don't cost that much. You could use a clip type link but most prefer a revited one for a bike that will do over a hundred.
Safety wire is what I do on a clip-style link.

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Not a good idea to 'soak' an o-ring chain. The o-rings keep the grease inside the rollers and the dirt outside. Depending on what you're soaking with, can seep into the roller internals, and/or breakdown or swell the o-rings.
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Better to hose it with WD and wipe down, use a wire brush to remove caked on lube/dirt mixture. Then apply a good chain lube.
Do not use a wire brush, as it will tear up the O-rings. There are plenty of plastic-bristle, parts-cleaning brushes available; even a stiff toothbrush will work.
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Old 01-10-2013, 05:25 PM   #15317
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A chain tool will press out the pin, with no grinding necessary.


So, you are saying you push the pin out without grinding the head off first? That's fucked up.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:09 PM   #15318
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So, you are saying you push the pin out without grinding the head off first? That's fucked up.
That's the way its done. The heads are rounded over with a press when the chain is assembled. A chain tool will press them out with no problem. Never heard of grinding the head off first.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:11 PM   #15319
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So, you are saying you push the pin out without grinding the head off first?
Yes. A nice chain tool (RK is what I have) will push it right out.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:27 PM   #15320
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That's the way its done. The heads are rounded over with a press when the chain is assembled. A chain tool will press them out with no problem. Never heard of grinding the head off first.
I don't see the point when grinding the head off makes everything much gentler.
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:00 PM   #15321
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I don't see the point when grinding the head off makes everything much gentler.
Gentle and grinding do not go together... Like said before, just use a chain tool.
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:48 PM   #15322
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Gentle and grinding do not go together... Like said before, just use a chain tool.
lol, yes forcing metal through a hole smaller than its diameter is less gentle than taking a dremel tool and removing the material so the pin comes out much easier. Sure.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:54 PM   #15323
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Ya, I always ground the tops of the pins when splitting chain. They practically fall out then. But it was always with a bench grinder with a chain already off the bike.

I have never riveted a chain. I think I have a riveter too, just never had to use it. I've never had a roadbike long enough to wear a chain out.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:12 PM   #15324
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Safety wire is what I do on a clip-style link.

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I've always had a new chain riveted on because I have lost clip-style links twice. Luckily I've caught it on time both times without the chain coming apart. Would be interested to see how you would safety wire the link. Pictures????
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:15 AM   #15325
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lol, yes forcing metal through a hole smaller than its diameter is less gentle than taking a dremel tool and removing the material so the pin comes out much easier. Sure.
Thing is, that metal went through the hole before it was swaged over on assembly. So all you're doing is making it bend back to its original size. No damage done to anything. And you don't have bits of grinding wheel and metal flakes everywhere.
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:44 AM   #15326
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Thing is, that metal went through the hole before it was swaged over on assembly. So all you're doing is making it bend back to its original size. No damage done to anything. And you don't have bits of grinding wheel and metal flakes everywhere.
That just doesn't seem right to me. Is the pin that is swaged over softer then the side-plate with the hole in ? Logic would suggest there will be some damage if you don't grind the top of the pin.

Anyway, this is a somewhat superfluous discussion since the days of taking a chain off and boiling it etc. to clean/lube it are long (long) gone with good O ring chains.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:44 AM   #15327
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I've always had a new chain riveted on because I have lost clip-style links twice. Luckily I've caught it on time both times without the chain coming apart. Would be interested to see how you would safety wire the link. Pictures????
I went through my track bike pics, but, don't have one of the link.

Simply run the wire around the plate of the master link and tighten.

I've never lost a clip, wired or not.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:53 AM   #15328
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Ok. So I go to service the drive chain today after 6K miles, as in remove and soak in cleaner, and there is no master link. WTF? So what brand master link do I need or am I blind?
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Master links are riveted on roadbikes.
Most of these factory chains are actually endless -- there is no master link per se, they're simply manufactured to be a continuous loop and installed before the swingarm.

As others are pointing out, don't worry about removing it until it's spent (whereupon you can just grind through one of the links). Personally, I don't even bother to clean the chain, I just lube religiously using the Dupont Teflon Multi-Use stuff. My XC still has the original chain and has about 31,000 miles on it -- I'll be replacing the chain soon though just so I don't have to do it partway into the riding season.

When you do get a replacement chain, definitely get the kind with the rivet master link.

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Old 01-11-2013, 08:45 AM   #15329
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When you do get a replacement chain, definitely get the kind with the rivet master link.
On my Transalp in the 90s (only other bike where I had to change chains myself) I got an OEM chain as a closed loop in the right size, took the swingarm out, installed the new chain, swingarm back in - took three hours overall. Can't imagine I'd be that much faster without taking the swingarm out ... A lot of time is spent swearing when trying to get the front sprocket off ...
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:33 PM   #15330
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Well I happened to be close by my Triumph dealer today and dropped in about the chain and master link. Triumph dosent even offer a master link. I bought a can of Motorex chain cleaner in order to clean it while its on the bike. I will stick with the original OEM chain until I run out of adjustment. Then its on to a DID. Thanks for all of the input.

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