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Old 02-14-2013, 06:05 PM   #15766
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Ive been looking hard at the Tiger since it first came on the scene and I am now looking even harder at buying a lightly used 2011 800 (non xc - non abs).

Being a long time Weestrom owner I am tossed up between the slightly reworked strom and the 800... I really want something "different" so instead of going with the make/model bike I know and have relied on for many years the Tiger seems to be the one.

Ive read thru as much of this thread as I can and I see several mentions of recalls and some seem a bit more worrisome than others. Ive also noticed what appears to be a somewhat high "turn-over" rate on them (people selling after a short time.. most say something like "its just not the bike for me"... or similar).

What am I too look out for?

Any reason I dont want to buy a Tiger?
Have you ridden one? That will tell you if it clicks with you.

It has the least incidence of new bike fix-it's of any make or model I've ever heard of. I would say they're pretty much bulletproof. One guy had trouble with the immobilizer, a few in the beginning had trouble with the idle stepper motor. The issues are few and far between.

I am only aware of a couple that have come up for sale. As mentioned, there's a huge following and EVERY professional bike tester pretty much raves about it. It is a bike that is almost universally liked by anyone that rides one, something so very rare today.

Compared to the V-strom ( I had a DL1000) fit and finish and components are nicer on the Triumph. Suspension is better, ergos are better, and performance is better. The motor makes the v-twin seem clunky. Can be accessorised to do the same kind of touring the 'strom does. If you're going to ride off pavement then you want the XC. If it's never going to see dirt, or only the rare occasion, then the T800 roadie has some advantage features, primarily it's alloy wheels and tubless tires.

They are easy to maintain and easy to work on. Design engineering is very good and is build quality.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:24 PM   #15767
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Ive been looking hard at the Tiger since it first came on the scene and I am now looking even harder at buying a lightly used 2011 800 (non xc - non abs).

Being a long time Weestrom owner I am tossed up between the slightly reworked strom and the 800... I really want something "different" so instead of going with the make/model bike I know and have relied on for many years the Tiger seems to be the one.

Ive read thru as much of this thread as I can and I see several mentions of recalls and some seem a bit more worrisome than others. Ive also noticed what appears to be a somewhat high "turn-over" rate on them (people selling after a short time.. most say something like "its just not the bike for me"... or similar).

What am I too look out for?

Any reason I dont want to buy a Tiger?

Nothing wrong with the 2011. Mine is still going strong! All the recalls were easy to fix and nothing to make the bike worthless. I had a DL1000 for 2 years and put 2,000 miles. I hated that bike. And I mean hate. I tried to like it and just couldn't. Their are thousands of DL1000 followers that Love their bike. Sold it and eventually bought the Tiger. I'll have at least 20,000 on my tiger before the 2 year mark. Just proof that not everyone likes the same bikes. Like said above, Ride one...
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:29 PM   #15768
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I have not had good luck with Bikebandit and getting the correct OEM parts. I once ordered a fairing for my 08 Sprint in the Pacific Blue color. They sent me a fairing for an 05 in Caspian Blue. It took me over 6 weeks and around a dozen calls to finally get the right part. Then they tried charging me restocking fees. They finally figured it out. They did not have the correct part number listed on their site for that model year. So now I always order OEM parts from my dealer and have never had a problem getting the right part.
I had the same issue, different part, with them. They took forever and way too much bullshit of calling them.

People think they are a dealer. They're not; just an online retailer. They order the parts, when you order them, and ship when they get them.

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Has anyone seen the forum with the details on getting 150+ Hp out the Tiger800 engine?
Not possible, with the work stated.

You can read through JD's progress, on his Daytona 675, here. I know it's not an 800, but, you can look through all the stuff he did and what his gains were for each modification.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:46 PM   #15769
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I found a digital factory manual, but is there a workshop/repair manual in digital form out there somewhere?
I just double checked and it was the owners manual I found, not the factory service manual. Sorry 'bout that.
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:50 AM   #15770
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one is the "short" centerstand, one is just named centerstand.
That may be your clue. The short one is for the roadie and the other for the XC. AFAIK it was only the XC that had problems with it hitting the swingarm.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:09 AM   #15771
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Any reason I dont want to buy a Tiger?

Yes. You going to go nuts every time you can't ride it because of work or kids or weather or etc. etc.

I sure am.

Amongs previous bikes I had Honda VTR1000F. I loved that bike - I like 90 twins a lot.
Yet despite it is much more loads and loads of fun (on paved road and in sport-ish environment, granted) than for example Wee (and I did ride both 1000 and 650) and more like SV, I still have to admit that even that bike did not make me wanting to ride more than Tiger.
Which is bummer because of kids, work and weather
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:31 AM   #15772
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V-twin to Triple

I've been lurking this thread as I'm waiting for winter to break so I can go pick up my new 800XC. I've wondered about moving from my twin only existence to a triple. While I had a couple V4 Hondas back in the 80's, the rest of my riding has been limited to all types of twins. (Triumph Bonni, Harley, Duc 996, BMW, Buell, as well as a couple little race bikes that were twins...) I am curious if the triple will hit all the buttons with me. I didn't get a chance to test ride one of these so I was happy to see that a V-twin owner was happy to make the switch. I found the 1200RT BMW left me wishing it had more character from the engine. I did a thousand miles in 15 hours on that bike so it covered highway miles OK. But I never looked at that bike as nothing more than an appliance. I sold it a year ago and was thinking the triple 800XC might be the ticket for longer road rides to those big bike DS dirt rides I have been hearing about. Time will tell.

Chime in if you came from bikes with more character than civility and love your triple 800.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:42 AM   #15773
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I've been lurking this thread as I'm waiting for winter to break so I can go pick up my new 800XC. I've wondered about moving from my twin only existence to a triple. While I had a couple V4 Hondas back in the 80's, the rest of my riding has been limited to all types of twins. (Triumph Bonni, Harley, Duc 996, BMW, Buell, as well as a couple little race bikes that were twins...) I am curious if the triple will hit all the buttons with me. I didn't get a chance to test ride one of these so I was happy to see that a V-twin owner was happy to make the switch. I found the 1200RT BMW left me wishing it had more character from the engine. I did a thousand miles in 15 hours on that bike so it covered highway miles OK. But I never looked at that bike as nothing more than an appliance. I sold it a year ago and was thinking the triple 800XC might be the ticket for longer road rides to those big bike DS dirt rides I have been hearing about. Time will tell.

Chime in if you came from bikes with more character than civility and love your triple 800.
its a different motor for sure. you will just need to ride one. I think they kind of ride like inline 4 sport bikes. it will be much faster than it sounds... different torque curve than a twin. idk, just ride one. they are fun!
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:53 AM   #15774
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I found a digital factory manual, but is there a workshop/repair manual in digital form out there somewhere?
Factory service/shop manual as PDF: PM_Me_for_a_URL

I found it the day AFTER I ordered the $45 printed copy. Both are complete shop manuals.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:19 AM   #15775
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Factory service/shop manual as PDF: http://www.triumphtalk.com/showthread.php/20387-Service-Manual-Download

I found it the day AFTER I ordered the $45 printed copy. Both are complete shop manuals.
Thanks, Chris. I like the hard manual for the garage, but this on a flash drive under the seat makes more sense on the road
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:24 AM   #15776
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Ive read thru as much of this thread as I can and I see several mentions of recalls and some seem a bit more worrisome than others. Ive also noticed what appears to be a somewhat high "turn-over" rate on them (people selling after a short time.. most say something like "its just not the bike for me"... or similar).

What am I too look out for?

Any reason I dont want to buy a Tiger?

I came from a Wee-Strom as well, though I went with an XC ABS. The Tiger is way, way more bike than the Wee, better in every way except fuel consumption/range (gas mileage is slightly lower, by about 5mpg, and the tank is a little smaller).

There's not really anything to look out for. As burmbuster pointed out, the few recalls were for noncritical things -- center stand (the stand itself and the spring, but this only applies to early ones, if there's even one fitted) and an updated engine map. A limited VIN range of Tiger 800s also had a recall to replace the shifter return spring (mine was among them but never exhibited any issues; I had it done anyway since it was on Triumph's dime, and got the updated center stand and engine map at the same time).

For what it's worth, I've got 31,000 miles on my Tiger and haven't had any issues. It hasn't even needed a valve adjustment. Awesome bike.

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I am curious if the triple will hit all the buttons with me. I didn't get a chance to test ride one of these so I was happy to see that a V-twin owner was happy to make the switch...

Chime in if you came from bikes with more character than civility and love your triple 800.
I came from riding twins and singles too, and I'm not a big fan of inline-4s at all. But I love the triple in the Tiger. Great engine. I intend to always have one in my garage from now on.

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Old 02-15-2013, 07:46 AM   #15777
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My local Triumph didnt have much as far as aftermarket goodies so I'm sure I'll go on-line and find some thing. That skid plate looks sweet and thats what I'm after, protection and functionality. I think I'll keep it to solid hand guards, skid plate and engine guards. Being an off-road guy most my life I'm sure I'll find trails and say to myself, "Yeah I'm sure I can do that!".
Unfortunately this SWMotech just appeared as less robust than the Triumph's one.


I can't tell if the OEM one would have survived too, but it seems to be one piece built instead of this multiple parts assembly.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:12 AM   #15778
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I've been lurking this thread as I'm waiting for winter to break so I can go pick up my new 800XC. I've wondered about moving from my twin only existence to a triple. While I had a couple V4 Hondas back in the 80's, the rest of my riding has been limited to all types of twins. (Triumph Bonni, Harley, Duc 996, BMW, Buell, as well as a couple little race bikes that were twins...) I am curious if the triple will hit all the buttons with me. I didn't get a chance to test ride one of these so I was happy to see that a V-twin owner was happy to make the switch. I found the 1200RT BMW left me wishing it had more character from the engine. I did a thousand miles in 15 hours on that bike so it covered highway miles OK. But I never looked at that bike as nothing more than an appliance. I sold it a year ago and was thinking the triple 800XC might be the ticket for longer road rides to those big bike DS dirt rides I have been hearing about. Time will tell.

Chime in if you came from bikes with more character than civility and love your triple 800.
I've owned my SS, since new. I'd had a few I-4s, before that, and always felt they were missing something. After the first SS test ride, I was sold. I loved the twin's power characteristics and engine pulse. Fast forward to '05 and me getting on the track. I quickly exceeded the bike's capabilities. After looking at the cost/benefit deal of upgrading the SS, I started shopping for a track bike. I'd come down to getting a 749S. However, my friend, and dealer, suggested a Daytona 675. I'd mulled over the 600cc options, but, knew none had any low-/mid-range. But, the Daytona had a ton of torque and was smooth, when lugging it. I bought one, in '06. The next year, I test rode a Tiger 1050 and was hooked. In '09, I stumbled upon a used one being sold by an inmate. I bought it. Unfortunately, I've had some health issues that have affected my upper body strength and ability to handle a loaded motorcycle, especially two-up. Because of that, I test rode an 800 Roadie, last fall. That bike, to me, is a great balance between the 675's willingness to spin and the comfort of my Tiger. The 1050 engine makes a whole lot more torque, but, one can feel all the weight and it's much slower to rev than the smaller engine. The 800 is much smoother, but, is still a lot more torquey than an I-4 of equal size, without the chugginess of a twin. I still love the characteristics of a twin. But, for day-to-day use, I'll take a triple, as it's so much more refined and has great torque and power. It really is a great compomise between an I-4 and twin. I think you'll be smitten with the bike, upon a test ride.

Interestingly, I test rode an 1100RT or 1150RT (can't remember, as it was years ago) and felt the same as you did with the 1200RT.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:19 AM   #15779
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That may be your clue. The short one is for the roadie and the other for the XC. AFAIK it was only the XC that had problems with it hitting the swingarm.
Both model centerstands were subject to the TSB and both redesigned.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:33 AM   #15780
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Unfortunately this SWMotech just appeared as less robust than the Triumph's one.


I can't tell if the OEM one would have survived too, but it seems to be one piece built instead of this multiple parts assembly.
That had to be an *incredibly hard* hit. Mine suffered two very jarring hits going through some down trail rock gardens and survived as well as any plate I have ever had with no separation (but big dents...). Yes they are riveted but not exactly pop rivets. Yes they will separate with enough force but an amount of force that would likely require any plate to be replaced. As hard as that hit had to have been, based on how clean the plate is with no oil or engine parts in the seams I would say the plate did work. It is a substantial piece of kit.

I got it because I think form and function wise it is the best fit for me and my needs. Though when I replace it I probably will get it welded because hey you know it couldn't hurt and it doesn't cost much.

I think anyone else that likes the design should get it and if the rivets are a concern, get it welded.
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