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Old 11-04-2010, 06:36 AM   #1591
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Changes from the first specifications at TriumphAdventure are:

Length - INCREASED: +10 mm / +0.4 inch (from 2215 mm to 2225 mm)

Width - DECREASED: -5 mm / -0.2 inch (from 865 mm to 860 mm)

Height - DECREASED: -19 mm / -0.8 inch (from 1390 mm to 1371 mm)

Seat Height - INCREASED: +15 mm / +0.6 inch (from min. 845 mm to 860 mm)

Wheelbase - DECREASED: -30 mm / -1.2 inch (from 1568 mm to 1538 mm)

Fuel Tank Capacity - INCREASED: +0.7 liter / +0.2 US Gallon (from 19 liters to 19.7 liters)

You don't ride a Spec-Sheet!
The U.S. specs are not that good, sigh.

fuel tank = 19L
wheelbase = 1568mm

Can't imagine why the tank size would be different and for that matter how the wheelbase is different, maybe different tires, but 1.2"??? I would love it to be a typo tho and have the shorter wheelbase.
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Old 11-04-2010, 07:05 AM   #1592
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Yeah, US specs page is finally up and is reporting the same specs as the TriumphAdventure.com website.
http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/13594_13597.aspx

UK specs page reports the 19.7 liter fuel tank, etc.

It would be nice to know which specs are correct.

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Old 11-04-2010, 07:27 AM   #1593
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This new XC really has my attention...I have been lusting after the GS800 as a replacement for my KLR. I think the XC will be even better.

I like the 2 piece seat, is the pillon removable for cargo?

adjustable seat and bars...nice touch

Fuel capacity is decent...is it under seat?

Power is nice...would like more torque but it will do. That motor should have lots of soul as well

alt output seems more than adequate for solo duty.

I think Triumph has built the bike I have been looking for. Solo touring/adventure bike.
And you got to hear a triple on full song this past weekend.....there is soul in that motor
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Old 11-04-2010, 07:30 AM   #1594
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IMO extra weight will NOT improve any bikes handling on gravel . Handling on gravel depends upon steering geometry, tire choice, and handlebar position.
Note I have been riding on gravel since 1966.
I'd disagree but you've been riding since 1966 so there is no point.
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Old 11-04-2010, 07:39 AM   #1595
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A few more months and the true spec and costs will be known.....Maybe!

Just how heavy is that XT1200Z Zapp?

With the price of the accessories Triumph are having a laugh!

One moment the gel seat is standard next it's an extra......Starting to become pissed off with the bike nobody has ridden yet (Yeah MCN nobber is a nobody )
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Old 11-04-2010, 07:45 AM   #1596
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The U.S. specs are not that good, sigh.

fuel tank = 19L
wheelbase = 1568mm

Can't imagine why the tank size would be different and for that matter how the wheelbase is different, maybe different tires, but 1.2"??? I would love it to be a typo tho and have the shorter wheelbase.
You're being sardonic, right?
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Old 11-04-2010, 07:48 AM   #1597
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He was talking about the 800 not the 800XC
Thanks. I have the big Tiger and love it, but I'm always open to alternatives, particularly when the result is less weight. In this case, I can't see giving up the power and ergonomics of the big Tiger to lose 40 pounds. Although, if I recall correctly, that's the same weight difference between the vStrom 650 and 1000. A lot of people felt those 40 pounds made a huge difference in handling. We'll see if there is a similar trade-off with the 800, although the 1050 probably has a handling advantage with 17" front and rear.

On the other hand, the 800XC is a different class of bike, and one that might make sense compared to appropriate alternatives.
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:07 AM   #1598
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You're being sardonic, right?
Getting your "word of the day" put to use pretty early in the day. NICE!
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:57 AM   #1599
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Getting your "word of the day" put to use pretty early in the day. NICE!
I'm [functionally] bikeless at the moment! What else am I going to do?
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Old 11-04-2010, 10:23 AM   #1600
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Triumph press release on the XC once again claims adjustable forks.





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Old 11-04-2010, 10:33 AM   #1601
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Thanks. I have the big Tiger and love it, but I'm always open to alternatives, particularly when the result is less weight. In this case, I can't see giving up the power and ergonomics of the big Tiger to lose 40 pounds. Although, if I recall correctly, that's the same weight difference between the vStrom 650 and 1000. A lot of people felt those 40 pounds made a huge difference in handling. We'll see if there is a similar trade-off with the 800, although the 1050 probably has a handling advantage with 17" front and rear.

On the other hand, the 800XC is a different class of bike, and one that might make sense compared to appropriate alternatives.
Good points Richard. Courses for horses, for sure. I liked the idea of the Tiger 1050 but it didn't quite do it for me. A little too road focused, the seat forced me into one seating position, the passenger and luggage sits up high. You are right, the DL650 weighed 43 lbs less than its big brother --and the two bikes had different handling and road manners. I rode a wee for 54k miles and found it to be a great all-around bike but lacking in finishing touches, braking and suspension, and slightly top-heavy too. I am hoping the Tiger 800 will fill that role for me.

The engine in the 800 should be a cracker --(94 hp @ 9250 and 59 ft-lbs @ 5750). the 3500 rpm spread between torque and hp peaks should make for a very wide, usable powerband.
Edit: the triumph uk /usa site has the torque peak occuring at 7800 rpm, so . Eh, if it is a bigger more practical street triple --I'm down.

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Old 11-04-2010, 10:36 AM   #1602
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I'd disagree but you've been riding since 1966 so there is no point.
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IMO extra weight will NOT improve any bikes handling on gravel . Handling on gravel depends upon steering geometry, tire choice, and handlebar position.
Note I have been riding on gravel since 1966.



In my humble opinion, both are missing the point.

Curves:

If you want to go fast, on gravel roads, you will not be steering with the front wheel. You will be steering with the throttle (and the rear wheel). Your front wheel should either be neutral to the curve, or should be pointing outwards, off the curve, if you are really sliding and being aggressive. The motorcycle weight is irrelevant. Increasing acceleration (throttle action) is the key.

If you want to steer with the front wheel, leaning like you do on pavement, it will eventually wash out no matter how heavy your bike is. As you try to go faster on gravel roads that way, eventually the front wheel will go.

Straight Line on Gravel:

Going straight, at higher speeds, you want to consider the risk of a wobble. That is also a function of bike set up, suspension, and weight balance back and front. Not the total weight of the bike necessarily.

But then again, YMMV.
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Old 11-04-2010, 10:38 AM   #1603
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Interesting press release. It also mentions soft luggage options --but we have only seen the hard cases so far. and the tall tankbag, of course.
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Old 11-04-2010, 10:42 AM   #1604
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That would be nice if it was adjustable and i would think it would be since its a bike they keep touting about its off road capabilities.
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Old 11-04-2010, 10:49 AM   #1605
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IMO extra weight will NOT improve any bikes handling on gravel . Handling on gravel depends upon steering geometry, tire choice, and handlebar position.
Note I have been riding on gravel since 1966.




In my humble opinion, both are missing the point.

Curves:

If you want to go fast, on gravel roads, you will not be steering with the front wheel. You will be steering with the throttle (and the rear wheel). Your front wheel should either be neutral to the curve, or should be pointing outwards, off the curve, if you are really sliding and being aggressive. The motorcycle weight is irrelevant. Increasing acceleration (throttle action) is the key.

If you want to steer with the front wheel, leaning like you do on pavement, it will eventually wash out no matter how heavy your bike is. As you try to go faster on gravel roads that way, eventually the front wheel will go.

Straight Line on Gravel:

Going straight, at higher speeds, you want to consider the risk of a wobble. That is also a function of bike set up, suspension, and weight balance back and front. Not the total weight of the bike necessarily.

But then again, YMMV.
Good point. I was reffering to its stability on gravel under normal riding. Not trying to push the limits and riding really hard, powersliding, whatever.. etc....
I was meaning the heavier bike was much less sensative to changes in gravel depth/conditions etc.. It was much smoother and danced around on the gravel a lot less than the lighter bike.
If i was wanting to manhandle it and get really aggressive a lighter bike would be better.

In order to not derail the thread here i'm done talking about this. But i understand both points of view. Lots of factors.
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