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Old 03-22-2013, 09:39 AM   #16351
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Awesome, got a link to where you got the piece of plastic?

That is a great idea, and would love to do the same mod to my bike.

TIA.
It is the Acerbis "Universal" mudflap. Got mine off ebay.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:50 PM   #16352
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It is the Acerbis "Universal" mudflap. Got mine off ebay.
I attached a piece of rubber stair tread I picked up at Lowes ($1.00) with Velcro.

Been working well for 13k miles. I know, it's kinda KLResk.


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Old 03-22-2013, 03:07 PM   #16353
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Extra bracket for HT racks over muffler inlet pipe

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That will work! I have made a lot of brackets with a hacksaw, file and a hammer and a vice. Takes a little more effort but you can do it.

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Picked up a piece of 3/16X3" T6061 I will form and drill to create a bracket. Pics following...
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Old 03-22-2013, 04:45 PM   #16354
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I attached a piece of rubber stair tread I picked up at Lowes ($1.00) with Velcro.

Been working well for 13k miles. I know, it's kinda KLResk.


Thanks for this excellent idea.
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Old 03-22-2013, 05:56 PM   #16355
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My Mudflap

thought I would share my homemade mud guard. Made it out of an old floormat. Tig'r was much better than Winnie for the Tiger....

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Old 03-22-2013, 07:31 PM   #16356
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PVRNick HT Bracket

So PVRNick's bracket for the HT racks is brilliant. I picked up a piece of T6061 about a foot long in 3/16" X 3", for $3 at the local metal surplus. Was easy to pop it a few times with a big balLpene hammer and a piece of wood to get the right bend in it.

I cut mine to follow the frame tube but I may still trim it back some and paint it black. Sure is hell for stout though and now there's tons of room for any headpipe.

FANTASTIC! THANKS SO MUCH FOR A GREAT IDEA!!














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Old 03-22-2013, 08:53 PM   #16357
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What worries me when I see such installations is that, with the boxes installed, now you have substantial leverage to bend the frame in case you crash the bike. The Triumph OEM cases are attached so that they detach themselves before transferring the impact. Perhaps it depends on the bag you chose or how they get attached to the rack I believe Pelican cases have a quick disconnect. Anyone any thoughts?
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:55 PM   #16358
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Anyone any thoughts?
Yep. I wouldn't want to ride with that. But again, very likely just me again.
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Old 03-22-2013, 09:05 PM   #16359
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What worries me when I see such installations is that, with the boxes installed, now you have substantial leverage to bend the frame in case you crash the bike. The Triumph OEM cases are attached so that they detach themselves before transferring the impact. Perhaps it depends on the bag you chose or how they get attached to the rack I believe Pelican cases have a quick disconnect. Anyone any thoughts?
Why not modify the original to be used with round or flat heads from the back with the nut on the top?? My carribou pelican setup looks like it will shear on a heavy impact but holds up on a drop for the bags.
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Old 03-22-2013, 09:22 PM   #16360
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1. From a strength standpoint, it's no different that the stock location of the rack attach point. Nor is it any different from dumping the bike over on the passenger footpeg - either side. If you crash your bike hard enough to bend the frame, then you've bent the frame.
2. There isn't room for any kind of backing plate in that location because that's where the headpipe to the muffler passes. A LV can header is within a quarter inch of the frame bar.
3. It will work just fine for hanging the panniers, and now can live with an aftermarket exhaust can.
4. Yes, it's a crappy original design from Happy Trails, Inc. This mod makes it work on the bike.
5. You don't like it, don't buy HT racks.

Geez guys, don't over think it.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:35 PM   #16361
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Anyone any thoughts?
I'm in the market for a rack and bags -- been looking them all.

What I have observed is this... All racks mount at the top edge in the factory locations. Then their are two mounts down low -- the rear is a cross brace and the forward one attaches to the passenger peg extension from the frame. For this issue/question - I think the forward mounting point is questionable.

The HT frame uses a clamp mount about mid-way up the passenger peg extension. The mod discussed here places the impact load higher up the extension to the frame.

Many other designs mount to the far bottom of the passenger peg extension and I would guess offers a higher "lever" force on that assembly with an impact load on the pannier and rack.

My personal conclusion is that the HT mount is a superior design in that regard (the ugly rear brace not withstanding). The mod only improves the crash worthiness.

Since many of these panniers are mounted with pucks (vs the Carribu's break away mount), perhaps a solution would be to use "break away" bolt hardware on the clamp.

Thought?
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My thought is the same as browneye. You guys are over thinking it. I have not decided on side cases yet so I like the discussion on such. What I am not worried about is what might break if I drop the bike or crash. You know the saying "something's gotta give". And I'll deal with it when or IF it does.

So here is what I did to my T800 tonight. I was going to drop the fifty bucks for that fancy Twisted Throttle ram mount gps holder bracket thingy. Well almost anyway. But just couldn't get past the fifty some dollar part of it. So I bought a five dollar ram ball with 6mm threaded stud. I drilled and tapped a hole in the windshield bracket. Added some loctite and screw in ram ball. Took a little less than 15 minutes. Didn't even remove the shield. I put it off to the left side in case I ever want to add another I'll put it on the right side.







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Old 03-23-2013, 07:09 AM   #16363
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My thought is the same as browneye. You guys are over thinking it. I have not decided on side cases yet so I like the discussion on such. What I am not worried about is what might break if I drop the bike or crash. You know the saying "something's gotta give". And I'll deal with it when or IF it does.

So here is what I did to my T800 tonight. I was going to drop the fifty bucks for that fancy Twisted Throttle ram mount gps holder bracket thingy. Well almost anyway. But just couldn't get past the fifty some dollar part of it. So I bought a five dollar ram ball with 6mm threaded stud. I drilled and tapped a hole in the windshield bracket. Added some loctite and screw in ram ball. Took a little less than 15 minutes. Didn't even remove the shield. I put it off to the left side in case I ever want to add another I'll put it on the right side.

Nice! I'm still using the $14 ram mount ball that goes in the handlebar clamp. One for each bike, pass the gps around. But then I've got the old and small 60cs. I wired into the park lamp for switched power. Works stellar, quick and dirty.

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The HT frame uses a clamp mount about mid-way up the passenger peg extension. The mod discussed here places the impact load higher up the extension to the frame.

Many other designs mount to the far bottom of the passenger peg extension and I would guess offers a higher "lever" force on that assembly with an impact load on the pannier and rack.

My personal conclusion is that the HT mount is a superior design in that regard (the ugly rear brace not withstanding). The mod only improves the crash worthiness.
My take is the HT racks are the strongest as well, will grant you that. From that standpoint they are good protection for a laydown. And yes, moving the front attach point up improves, not detracts from its strength. I can pick the bike up with the right rack frame with the bracket installed, it's as strong as without it. And why I'm keeping them instead of trading off for something else at this point. I'll fill the left side with tool tube or water/fuel pax.

If you all are worried about your foot peg brackets breaking and bending the sub, then cut them off half-way and insert a sacraficial connector, aluminum tube or similar, pinned on both sides. That way if it gets hit hard enough they'll break away without injuring the entire subframe.

There are plenty of other worries if you build up in prep for a laydown, like the brake lever, shifter, tank, rad, bars, etc.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:58 AM   #16364
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What worries me when I see such installations is that, with the boxes installed, now you have substantial leverage to bend the frame in case you crash the bike. The Triumph OEM cases are attached so that they detach themselves before transferring the impact. Perhaps it depends on the bag you chose or how they get attached to the rack I believe Pelican cases have a quick disconnect. Anyone any thoughts?
Actually if you build forces diagram - there is no such substantial force transfer on front mount. Unlike most other pannier frames. Which is good I guess.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:11 AM   #16365
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Hey guys I just test rode an orange tiger 800xc. New holdover 2012. Dealer lists it at 12k. Is that a pretty standard price for a holdover 12? They have new non XC 800's available for a grand less.
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