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Old 03-22-2013, 10:22 PM   #16366
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1. From a strength standpoint, it's no different that the stock location of the rack attach point. Nor is it any different from dumping the bike over on the passenger footpeg - either side. If you crash your bike hard enough to bend the frame, then you've bent the frame.
2. There isn't room for any kind of backing plate in that location because that's where the headpipe to the muffler passes. A LV can header is within a quarter inch of the frame bar.
3. It will work just fine for hanging the panniers, and now can live with an aftermarket exhaust can.
4. Yes, it's a crappy original design from Happy Trails, Inc. This mod makes it work on the bike.
5. You don't like it, don't buy HT racks.

Geez guys, don't over think it.
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:35 AM   #16367
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Anyone any thoughts?
I'm in the market for a rack and bags -- been looking them all.

What I have observed is this... All racks mount at the top edge in the factory locations. Then their are two mounts down low -- the rear is a cross brace and the forward one attaches to the passenger peg extension from the frame. For this issue/question - I think the forward mounting point is questionable.

The HT frame uses a clamp mount about mid-way up the passenger peg extension. The mod discussed here places the impact load higher up the extension to the frame.

Many other designs mount to the far bottom of the passenger peg extension and I would guess offers a higher "lever" force on that assembly with an impact load on the pannier and rack.

My personal conclusion is that the HT mount is a superior design in that regard (the ugly rear brace not withstanding). The mod only improves the crash worthiness.

Since many of these panniers are mounted with pucks (vs the Carribu's break away mount), perhaps a solution would be to use "break away" bolt hardware on the clamp.

Thought?
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:13 AM   #16368
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My thought is the same as browneye. You guys are over thinking it. I have not decided on side cases yet so I like the discussion on such. What I am not worried about is what might break if I drop the bike or crash. You know the saying "something's gotta give". And I'll deal with it when or IF it does.

So here is what I did to my T800 tonight. I was going to drop the fifty bucks for that fancy Twisted Throttle ram mount gps holder bracket thingy. Well almost anyway. But just couldn't get past the fifty some dollar part of it. So I bought a five dollar ram ball with 6mm threaded stud. I drilled and tapped a hole in the windshield bracket. Added some loctite and screw in ram ball. Took a little less than 15 minutes. Didn't even remove the shield. I put it off to the left side in case I ever want to add another I'll put it on the right side.







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Old 03-23-2013, 08:09 AM   #16369
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My thought is the same as browneye. You guys are over thinking it. I have not decided on side cases yet so I like the discussion on such. What I am not worried about is what might break if I drop the bike or crash. You know the saying "something's gotta give". And I'll deal with it when or IF it does.

So here is what I did to my T800 tonight. I was going to drop the fifty bucks for that fancy Twisted Throttle ram mount gps holder bracket thingy. Well almost anyway. But just couldn't get past the fifty some dollar part of it. So I bought a five dollar ram ball with 6mm threaded stud. I drilled and tapped a hole in the windshield bracket. Added some loctite and screw in ram ball. Took a little less than 15 minutes. Didn't even remove the shield. I put it off to the left side in case I ever want to add another I'll put it on the right side.

Nice! I'm still using the $14 ram mount ball that goes in the handlebar clamp. One for each bike, pass the gps around. But then I've got the old and small 60cs. I wired into the park lamp for switched power. Works stellar, quick and dirty.

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The HT frame uses a clamp mount about mid-way up the passenger peg extension. The mod discussed here places the impact load higher up the extension to the frame.

Many other designs mount to the far bottom of the passenger peg extension and I would guess offers a higher "lever" force on that assembly with an impact load on the pannier and rack.

My personal conclusion is that the HT mount is a superior design in that regard (the ugly rear brace not withstanding). The mod only improves the crash worthiness.
My take is the HT racks are the strongest as well, will grant you that. From that standpoint they are good protection for a laydown. And yes, moving the front attach point up improves, not detracts from its strength. I can pick the bike up with the right rack frame with the bracket installed, it's as strong as without it. And why I'm keeping them instead of trading off for something else at this point. I'll fill the left side with tool tube or water/fuel pax.

If you all are worried about your foot peg brackets breaking and bending the sub, then cut them off half-way and insert a sacraficial connector, aluminum tube or similar, pinned on both sides. That way if it gets hit hard enough they'll break away without injuring the entire subframe.

There are plenty of other worries if you build up in prep for a laydown, like the brake lever, shifter, tank, rad, bars, etc.
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Old 03-23-2013, 08:58 AM   #16370
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What worries me when I see such installations is that, with the boxes installed, now you have substantial leverage to bend the frame in case you crash the bike. The Triumph OEM cases are attached so that they detach themselves before transferring the impact. Perhaps it depends on the bag you chose or how they get attached to the rack I believe Pelican cases have a quick disconnect. Anyone any thoughts?
Actually if you build forces diagram - there is no such substantial force transfer on front mount. Unlike most other pannier frames. Which is good I guess.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:11 AM   #16371
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Hey guys I just test rode an orange tiger 800xc. New holdover 2012. Dealer lists it at 12k. Is that a pretty standard price for a holdover 12? They have new non XC 800's available for a grand less.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:18 AM   #16372
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Hey guys I just test rode an orange tiger 800xc. New holdover 2012. Dealer lists it at 12k. Is that a pretty standard price for a holdover 12? They have new non XC 800's available for a grand less.
Pricing can be location dependent but a new '12 should be <$11k.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:49 AM   #16373
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So PVRNick's bracket for the HT racks is brilliant. I picked up a piece of T6061 about a foot long in 3/16" X 3", for $3 at the local metal surplus. Was easy to pop it a few times with a big balLpene hammer and a piece of wood to get the right bend in it.

I cut mine to follow the frame tube but I may still trim it back some and paint it black. Sure is hell for stout though and now there's tons of room for any headpipe.

FANTASTIC! THANKS SO MUCH FOR A GREAT IDEA!!














Nicely done browneye ! Looks good. Hopefully someone
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:53 AM   #16374
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Nice! I'm still using the $14 ram mount ball that goes in the handlebar clamp. One for each bike, pass the gps around. But then I've got the old and small 60cs. I wired into the park lamp for switched power. Works stellar, quick and dirty.



Great idea tapping in to the park lamp! I will do that for my 60cs also.
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:18 AM   #16375
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Pricing can be location dependent but a new '12 should be <$11k.
So if I went in and made an offer of $11000 OTD I wouldnt be off base? The tag said said 12k plus freight and fees so Im guessing I would be asking for nearly 2k$ off sticker when you include taxes. Thanks.
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:25 AM   #16376
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So if I went in and made an offer of $11000 OTD I wouldnt be off base? The tag said said 12k plus freight and fees so Im guessing I would be asking for nearly 2k$ off sticker when you include taxes. Thanks.
12k is MSRP. From Triumph's website:

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$11,999 (with ABS) *Price is MSRP, and excludes tax, title, license, options, handling, pre-delivery, and destination charges
I wouldn't pay MSRP for a last year left over (doesn't matter whether it's an unchanged model, it's about the immediate depreciation just through the model year designation). My preferred dealer says that they generally estimate about 10% for freight, license, and fees, they don't charge for setup at all.

Offering 11k is fair.

Make sure you know beforehand what freight and fees are (before you make the offer), or you'll get these higher when the price drops. If freight and fees are too high, walk away. I've had a dealer here in Sunnyvale that offered a new 2007 Honda ST1300 in 2009 for 12k new - but wanted $3600 "set up fee" + freight + taxes. I told him to f*** himself and walked out. So be sure to know what they are asking for and what is common in your area from comparable dealers.
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:43 PM   #16377
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Let me see if we are jiving here. 11K out the door including all fees and taxes? or is 11k the lowest I could go and then add fees and taxes on top of that? Thanks.
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:56 PM   #16378
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I paid $10,800 + tax last November for a 2012 800 XC
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Old 03-23-2013, 03:07 PM   #16379
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Video I made to show removal of fuel tank

Tiger 800 - Fuel tank removal


Hope it can help people.
Got my 6k service due soon so will try to film as much as I can.
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Old 03-23-2013, 03:29 PM   #16380
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Video I made to show removal of fuel tank

Tiger 800 - Fuel tank removal


Hope it can help people.
Got my 6k service due soon so will try to film as much as I can.
Very helpful, thanks.
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