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Old 03-25-2013, 04:50 PM   #16411
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I have a dealer offering a 2012 800xc for 11,300. It has 300 miles but is titled as new. That price includes everything except I would have to pay state tax. Now that is about the same price as some 2011's in the flea market with >10k miles but a bunch of add ons. If you were going to buy would you go "new" or used? Any difference on the years 11,12,13? Thanks.
For an XC, that's a good price. My '12 was $12,900 with everything, plus another $600 in oem accessories.

As far as new or used, that has to be your call. If I can buy used and save a bunch I will usually do that. Hopefully it has been broken in properly and serviced, at least oil changes.

All models are the same...just slight trim and paint differences. Some of the early ones had ABS as optional, then I think all bikes coming to the US had it standard. It's was a grand when it was an option.

You might get them to throw in a center stand with it to sweeten the deal for a previously titled bike. And change the oil.

EDIT: BTW, add-ons on used bikes are worth maybe 50 cents on the dollar, and only if they are something you really want. Don't forget about transportation costs if buying out of your area.
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:14 PM   #16412
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EDIT: BTW, add-ons on used bikes are worth maybe 50 cents on the dollar, and only if they are something you really want. Don't forget about transportation costs if buying out of your area.
I wouldn't throw this out like this because it's plain not correct. I've generally sold my stuff between 60 and 70% of the original price, no matter whether I sold them with the bike or separately. I just normally say - hey, if I sell them all to you with the bike, you're getting them for 60% flat and can resell the items you don't like. Or you're getting it without any goodies. Never had a problem with that. But so far I only sold "high resale bikes", no idea how well this will work with the Tiger. That's part of why I decided to keep mine for the time being - apart from it being an awesome bike in general.

And yes, sometimes I'm stubborn and throw things away instead of selling them for a price that I think is plain too cheap. Might be stupid, but that's just me. I don't like people taking too much advantage of me. Some is fine, getting audacious isn't, then the old stubborn self kicks in and I either keep it or throw it away for nobody to use.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:37 PM   #16413
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I wouldn't throw this out like this because it's plain not correct. I've generally sold my stuff between 60 and 70% of the original price, no matter whether I sold them with the bike or separately. I just normally say - hey, if I sell them all to you with the bike, you're getting them for 60% flat and can resell the items you don't like.
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Now you're splitting hairs.

You're shit is worth more to you because you picked it. Doesn't mean someone else wants it. That's all I'm sayin. The OP was asking about used bikes and what they're worth when they have lots of extra parts on them. And I've always said, buy the bike, not the 'extras', unless they are what you really want. I think we're saying the same thing but you bumped your ballpark value 10%.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:41 PM   #16414
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You're shit is worth more to you because you picked it. Doesn't mean someone else wants it. That's all I'm sayin.
Nope. It's worth what I get for it, not what I paid for it. And so far I've never sold anything below 60% of what I paid for it.
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Old 03-26-2013, 04:21 AM   #16415
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I have a dealer offering a 2012 800xc for 11,300. It has 300 miles but is titled as new. That price includes everything except I would have to pay state tax. Now that is about the same price as some 2011's in the flea market with >10k miles but a bunch of add ons. If you were going to buy would you go "new" or used? Any difference on the years 11,12,13? Thanks.
Something to consider is that if it's new, then the warranty starts from the day you take delivery. That might be worth having. I'm guessing with the 300 mi it was an owner or store demo unit? I'm considering doing something similar right now.

You'll take a depreciation hit no matter what. My unscientific analysis, based on price tracking, seems to be about $1000 per year on average, although the Tiger 800-series hasn't been around long enough to bottom out on price. I suspect that base-model Roadies will bottom out around $5000 in another 5 years, and XCs for a bit more.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:59 AM   #16416
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So... a Ducati would be better?

OP: Coming here and asking "Triumph, or something else" is like asking a starving man if he'd like to eat or go watch a movie...

The T800 motor is a hoot, and won't risk your license quite as much as a Ducati (or KTM). Although it will do 60 in first gear.

As for touring all day... IMO, the Tiger needs a better seat. I've done a 600+ mile day on mine, two-up. After that, 200 miles a day was the rule.
Sorry, I could have said that better. Never said the Ducati was better, just that of the bikes he was looking at, it would be the only other bike I would consider when looking at the Tiger. I wouldn't even waste any time checking out the KTM or BMW. Then it simply boils down to which bike gets your heart racing, which is "coolest" to you, etc. I obviously favour the Tiger cause I'm riding one.

It's been said a bunch of times but the Triumph triple is a damn good motor. My wife was riding her Bonneville and we stopped in our local dealer (BMW, Ducati, Triumph). She wasn't even in the market for a new bike but they had a Ducati Monster on demo. She rode it and was gobsmacked at how good it was. Then she rode a Street Triple R, and promptly bought it. Se said it was as good as the Ducati in every way, but just way better!
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:23 PM   #16417
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**Update on the $8500 deal for 2012 Tiger 800.

I emailed the dealer today and told him I would drop off a deposit if the deal was still $8500 w/ freight included. He responded that the best they can do is $8900 and that it's a "steal". he originally stated that it was $8900, but I get a firefighter discount from a program they are currently running, but now he said that it was included in the price and they can't budge.

I know it's a good deal still, but I'm thinking about walking away as I hate people who conduct business this way. ??
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:26 PM   #16418
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**Update on the $8500 deal for 2012 Tiger 800.

I emailed the dealer today and told him I would drop off a deposit if the deal was still $8500 w/ freight included. He responded that the best they can do is $8900 and that it's a "steal". he originally stated that it was $8900, but I get a firefighter discount from a program they are currently running, but now he said that it was included in the price and they can't budge.

I know it's a good deal still, but I'm thinking about walking away as I hate people who conduct business this way. ??
Your call, of course.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:35 PM   #16419
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**Update on the $8500 deal for 2012 Tiger 800.

I emailed the dealer today and told him I would drop off a deposit if the deal was still $8500 w/ freight included. He responded that the best they can do is $8900 and that it's a "steal". he originally stated that it was $8900, but I get a firefighter discount from a program they are currently running, but now he said that it was included in the price and they can't budge.

I know it's a good deal still, but I'm thinking about walking away as I hate people who conduct business this way. ??
If the deal was for $8900 originally then I don't see how he's conducting business in an unfair way. If you thought you were eligible for an additional discount, then that's YOUR misunderstanding not the dealer trying to mislead you. And frankly expecting more discounts on a bike that you know regularly sells for $11,900 is asking a bit much. Put yourself in his shoes. He's probably not making a dime on that bike at this point.

Sorry, but I just have never understood this trying to squeeze every last penny out of a dealer. They need to make some profit just the keep their lights on. We typically pay MSRP on bikes when we buy them and then we get a fair discount on parts and accessories. Both of us feel like we're getting a good deal and both go away happy, plus the dealer made a bit of money so he's there next time I want to go sit on a bike or buy a helmet etc. And I can guarantee you that between my wife and I, we have saved way more money on clothing and accessories then we ever would have trying to save a few bucks on the price of a bike. Just me 2 cents.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:35 PM   #16420
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**Update on the $8500 deal for 2012 Tiger 800.

I emailed the dealer today and told him I would drop off a deposit if the deal was still $8500 w/ freight included. He responded that the best they can do is $8900 and that it's a "steal". he originally stated that it was $8900, but I get a firefighter discount from a program they are currently running, but now he said that it was included in the price and they can't budge.

I know it's a good deal still, but I'm thinking about walking away as I hate people who conduct business this way. ??
That is pretty BS, I thought the firefighter discount was only for a different model?
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:41 PM   #16421
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If the deal was for $8900 originally then I don't see how he's conducting business in an unfair way. If you thought you were eligible for an additional discount, then that's YOUR misunderstanding not the dealer trying to mislead you. And frankly expecting more discounts on a bike that you know regularly sells for $11,900 is asking a bit much. Put yourself in his shoes. He's probably not making a dime on that bike at this point.

Sorry, but I just have never understood this trying to squeeze every last penny out of a dealer. They need to make some profit just the keep their lights on. We typically pay MSRP on bikes when we buy them and then we get a fair discount on parts and accessories. Both of us feel like we're getting a good deal and both go away happy, plus the dealer made a bit of money so he's there next time I want to go sit on a bike or buy a helmet etc. And I can guarantee you that between my wife and I, we have saved way more money on clothing and accessories then we ever would have trying to save a few bucks on the price of a bike. Just me 2 cents.
That's all and good, but he was the one who said $8900+300-400 off for the discount. I'm not trying to shake him down or anything. I just want the deal that he stated.

I looked up the discount and it's not even for the tigers. The salesman clearly made a mistake. I make mistakes everyday so I'm not going to throw stones. I just have to decide if I want to take the deal or not.
Thanks for the help guys!
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:43 PM   #16422
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That's all and good, but he was the one who said $8900+300-400 off for the discount. I'm not trying to shake him down or anything. I just want the deal that he stated.

I looked up the discount and it's not even for the tigers. The salesman clearly made a mistake. I make mistakes everyday so I'm not going to throw stones. I just have to decide if I want to take the deal or not.
Thanks for the help guys!
Thanks for the clarification, it's still a good deal on a great bike.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:56 PM   #16423
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That's all and good, but he was the one who said $8900+300-400 off for the discount. I'm not trying to shake him down or anything. I just want the deal that he stated.

I looked up the discount and it's not even for the tigers. The salesman clearly made a mistake. I make mistakes everyday so I'm not going to throw stones. I just have to decide if I want to take the deal or not.
Thanks for the help guys!
Who and where is this dealer? Maybe I'll come buy it.
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Old 03-26-2013, 01:21 PM   #16424
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That's all and good, but he was the one who said $8900+300-400 off for the discount. I'm not trying to shake him down or anything. I just want the deal that he stated.

I looked up the discount and it's not even for the tigers. The salesman clearly made a mistake. I make mistakes everyday so I'm not going to throw stones. I just have to decide if I want to take the deal or not.
Thanks for the help guys!
Explain your position (that you made a decision based on an offer of $8,500, not $8,900), and offer to buy the bike for the $8,900 if he throws in the first (500m) service as part of the deal.
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Old 03-26-2013, 01:25 PM   #16425
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Yeah really I'll buy it.
I just spent that for a used one
You walking away from him making no profit will be no skin off his teeth. I don't think you'll find that good of a deal on a new one anywhere else.
Once again. Where is this dealer and what's their name ?
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