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Old 03-24-2013, 07:12 PM   #16456
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Buy the tiger!!

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I'm not sure if this should go here, but I'm at a dilemma. I recently sold my R6 so I can fund a more touring friendly bike(400-600) mile days. I test drove a tiger 800 at the end of last season and loved it, but I wanted to test a few more bikes before I pulled the trigger. Well I made a mistake and stopped back at that dealer and of course they are having a blowout sale of 2012's. They have one tiger left for $8500.
I now have to either go for it because it will be gone in a few days or pass so I can test other bikes when the salt is off the roads. The other bikes include-
Ducati hyperstrada, Ktm 990 SMT, GS800, and possibly street triple(I know, I know).

I apologize for the wall of text! My main question being...What the hell do I do? haha and is that a price thats too good to pass up?
So a few years ago I bought an almost new 09KLR.impulse buy as I was looking for something to motor pace my kids with for bicycle racing training. Had not owned or ridden a MC for at least 20 yrs. I raced moto in my younger days and was aware of KTM 990 Adv as a cool bike that I admired but seemed out of my league so I bought the KLR. Started commuting on it and reading about Adv travel. Set it up with some farkles did some camping,and started thinking about an upgrade last winter. Stumbled upon some tiger 800xc reviews here lots of impressed new owners convinced me to book a test ride which took a while to get done. Day came , the tiger blew my mind and I wanted one. Figured I should at least ride the KTM 990 as it had been my dream bike until the TTR (tiger test ride) Rode a brand spanking new blue and orange 990,they let me take it out for a couple of hours so I went to Elk Island National park and back. Awesome bike, lots of Grunty power but it felt like a big refined KLR. The tiger felt like nothing I had ever experienced.I loved it and bought my 2012 Orange xc in June. Put 10,000km on some of the best roads and trails western Canada has to Offer including some BC forestry roads and the Duffy lake rd. as well as all through the kootenays. No regrets whatsoever!!
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:46 AM   #16457
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It's extremely complicated, you wouldn't understand.
Obviously.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:19 AM   #16458
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The only other bike in your list that I personally would even consider would be the Ducati. KTMs are fun bikes with very good suspension but they are maintenance whores and have had a few niggling problems.
So... a Ducati would be better?

OP: Coming here and asking "Triumph, or something else" is like asking a starving man if he'd like to eat or go watch a movie...

The T800 motor is a hoot, and won't risk your license quite as much as a Ducati (or KTM). Although it will do 60 in first gear.

As for touring all day... IMO, the Tiger needs a better seat. I've done a 600+ mile day on mine, two-up. After that, 200 miles a day was the rule.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:35 AM   #16459
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And, speaking of seats................



Anybody try or have any feedback on the new Moose seat for the tiger????
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:46 AM   #16460
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As for touring all day... IMO, the Tiger needs a better seat. I've done a 600+ mile day on mine, two-up. After that, 200 miles a day was the rule.
Again, it amazes me the differences between person to person. So far, riding solo, the stock ergonomics have served me well, with 3 600+ mile days.

In fact I am debating if I am going to even change the wind screen. There are times that I would like a bit more protection, but mostly in head or cross winds. And I don't know if a new screen would do much???

Any thoughts??
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:02 AM   #16461
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Again, it amazes me the differences between person to person. So far, riding solo, the stock ergonomics have served me well, with 3 600+ mile days.
There is a distinct possibility I'm fatter or thinner than you, weather conditions, and what those 600 miles are made up of. Later in the year I did a couple of longer (timewise) days escorting bicycle races, and I was fine. (I was also moving around more than a 600 mile drone on the interstate.)

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In fact I am debating if I am going to even change the wind screen. There are times that I would like a bit more protection, but mostly in head or cross winds. And I don't know if a new screen would do much???

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More protection? Can't help you. I went for less buffeting and put a Street Trple flyscreen on mine.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:10 AM   #16462
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it will do 60 in first gear
And therein lies the only little thing I wish was different on the Tiger, lower first.

Other than that I'm almost shocked how well the suspension, seat and screen are for me. What a bike..
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:34 AM   #16463
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Again, it amazes me the differences between person to person. So far, riding solo, the stock ergonomics have served me well, with 3 600+ mile days.

In fact I am debating if I am going to even change the wind screen. There are times that I would like a bit more protection, but mostly in head or cross winds. And I don't know if a new screen would do much???

Any thoughts??
I'm 6'-0" @170lbs. Stock setup is good. The seat on my 05 955i Tiger was a bit more comfy (IMO) but the wind was about the same.

I had an 06 Strom before the Tigers. That seat was torturous and the wind came from every direction.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:07 AM   #16464
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I had an 06 Strom before the Tigers. That seat was torturous and the wind came from every direction.
I had a K6 Wee, the engineers designed that seat and screen to purposely torture you... I couldn't go more that 30 minutes before squirming around on the stocker. Any longer produce serious pain ..
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:09 AM   #16465
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I'm 6'-0" @170lbs. Stock setup is good. The seat on my 05 955i Tiger was a bit more comfy (IMO) but the wind was about the same.

I had an 06 Strom before the Tigers. That seat was torturous and the wind came from every direction.
I had a '09 KLR650, and the butt floss was replaced before I left my home county.

For me, 5'11", 270'ish lbs. Don't have a lot of padding on my arse. I have pretty broad shoulders, so on almost any bike I grab a lot of wind. And I find that when I have had larger windscreens, my shoulders catch a lot more turbulent air.

On most of my sport'ish bikes, including the KLR, I had ZG Double Bubbles, and they put less air on the helmet, but over all left the air a lot cleaner.

As this subject goes, more than most, YMMV
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:41 PM   #16466
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I have a dealer offering a 2012 800xc for 11,300. It has 300 miles but is titled as new. That price includes everything except I would have to pay state tax. Now that is about the same price as some 2011's in the flea market with >10k miles but a bunch of add ons. If you were going to buy would you go "new" or used? Any difference on the years 11,12,13? Thanks.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:50 PM   #16467
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I have a dealer offering a 2012 800xc for 11,300. It has 300 miles but is titled as new. That price includes everything except I would have to pay state tax. Now that is about the same price as some 2011's in the flea market with >10k miles but a bunch of add ons. If you were going to buy would you go "new" or used? Any difference on the years 11,12,13? Thanks.
For an XC, that's a good price. My '12 was $12,900 with everything, plus another $600 in oem accessories.

As far as new or used, that has to be your call. If I can buy used and save a bunch I will usually do that. Hopefully it has been broken in properly and serviced, at least oil changes.

All models are the same...just slight trim and paint differences. Some of the early ones had ABS as optional, then I think all bikes coming to the US had it standard. It's was a grand when it was an option.

You might get them to throw in a center stand with it to sweeten the deal for a previously titled bike. And change the oil.

EDIT: BTW, add-ons on used bikes are worth maybe 50 cents on the dollar, and only if they are something you really want. Don't forget about transportation costs if buying out of your area.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:14 PM   #16468
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EDIT: BTW, add-ons on used bikes are worth maybe 50 cents on the dollar, and only if they are something you really want. Don't forget about transportation costs if buying out of your area.
I wouldn't throw this out like this because it's plain not correct. I've generally sold my stuff between 60 and 70% of the original price, no matter whether I sold them with the bike or separately. I just normally say - hey, if I sell them all to you with the bike, you're getting them for 60% flat and can resell the items you don't like. Or you're getting it without any goodies. Never had a problem with that. But so far I only sold "high resale bikes", no idea how well this will work with the Tiger. That's part of why I decided to keep mine for the time being - apart from it being an awesome bike in general.

And yes, sometimes I'm stubborn and throw things away instead of selling them for a price that I think is plain too cheap. Might be stupid, but that's just me. I don't like people taking too much advantage of me. Some is fine, getting audacious isn't, then the old stubborn self kicks in and I either keep it or throw it away for nobody to use.
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:37 PM   #16469
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I wouldn't throw this out like this because it's plain not correct. I've generally sold my stuff between 60 and 70% of the original price, no matter whether I sold them with the bike or separately. I just normally say - hey, if I sell them all to you with the bike, you're getting them for 60% flat and can resell the items you don't like.
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Now you're splitting hairs.

You're shit is worth more to you because you picked it. Doesn't mean someone else wants it. That's all I'm sayin. The OP was asking about used bikes and what they're worth when they have lots of extra parts on them. And I've always said, buy the bike, not the 'extras', unless they are what you really want. I think we're saying the same thing but you bumped your ballpark value 10%.
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:41 PM   #16470
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You're shit is worth more to you because you picked it. Doesn't mean someone else wants it. That's all I'm sayin.
Nope. It's worth what I get for it, not what I paid for it. And so far I've never sold anything below 60% of what I paid for it.
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