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Old 04-10-2013, 08:47 PM   #16621
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The XC bars feel a lot different compared to the roadie. They're wider too. There have been a at least a couple of riders that just could never get comfortable, one had back aches, and sold their bikes. Maybe they had back trouble before they bought the bike.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:31 PM   #16622
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Ok, I know this has been has been asked a million times, so lets make it a million and one. I was thinking about getting the Tiger 800xc or the Explorer/xc. 800xc is more nimble, better on gas and lighter. The explorer has great horse power and would probably be better on the freeway. %90 of my rides will be on paved roads, but I would love to get a little dirty. Besides price, what are your experiences and or suggestions? Please stay on topic, no pissing matches.

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Old 04-11-2013, 06:35 AM   #16623
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From the replies to armydoc, it looks like several owners feel entirely comfortable with their T800's reliability.

Any dissenting opinions? Any known issues, like BMW final drive problems, or Wee Strom ugliness?
In four days, it will have been exactly two years since I picked up my XC from the dealership. I've put nearly 33,000 miles on it in the meantime with exactly zero problems. It hasn't even needed a valve adjustment. Awesome bike.

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Old 04-11-2013, 06:46 AM   #16624
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So any thoughts on Risers and Center Stands??
I've got the SW Motech risers on my XC, and they help. I didn't need them so much for the seated position, but for standing I was too hunched over without them (I'm 6'4"). I also have the bars rotated up, so the grips are more elevated than in the stock position.

As for the center stand... I don't even consider that optional equipment. It should come stock on all adventure bikes. It's absolutely indispensable for tire and chain maintenance, especially on a trip. The Triumph one for the XC works fine; it takes a little effort to get the bike up on it, but I find that stepping down on the lever while lifting on the passenger peg bracket works well.

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Old 04-11-2013, 06:47 AM   #16625
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In four days, it will have been exactly two years since I picked up my XC from the dealership. I've put nearly 33,000 miles on it in the meantime with exactly zero problems. It hasn't even needed a valve adjustment. Awesome bike.

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That's good to know. I'm no mechanic, but I can pretty much figure anything out. Are you just following the owner's manual for "DO IT YOURSELF" maintainance and is there anything I should give special attention to??

I've only owned one other bike, Buell ULY, and it was a very simple bike to maintain.
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Old 04-11-2013, 07:25 AM   #16626
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Got an email from Amazon today. CruzTools RoadTech M3 is on sale for $57. The EU Speedkit is $26. Is it worth replacing the OEM kit with either?
http://cruztools.com/products/kitsmetric.html

Anyone know if the M3 roll will fit in a Tool Tube?
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:18 AM   #16627
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So, while I don't expect the Triumph to be on a par with the the DL in terms of dependability,
Triumph is almost on a par with Honda when it comes to reliability. You'll find loads with over 50000 miles with very few problems on the way. Just check out my sig. below.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:23 AM   #16628
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Do you guys think it's okay to step on the foot-peg and step over the seat. I'm not sure if the kick-stand can hold my 200 lbs continuously putting all my weight on it.
Plenty strong enough. It's what I do when I've got luggage on board.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:33 AM   #16629
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I know that new Triumphs are nothing like the old ones in terms of build quality. I also know that I got very used to my Suzuki's absolute reliability. Indestructible. And I'm too old for headaches.

So, while I don't expect the Triumph to be on a par with the the DL in terms of dependability, I'm wondering how much of a tradeoff there'll be. My local dealer has a questionable rep, and the guy who's gonna let me test the bike (from whom I'll buy and whose service dept I'll use, for that reason, ) is a little over an hour away.
Go work in a big-4 dealership and you'll see plenty of cases where Japanese stuff isn't "all that". I can tell you, Suzuki's warranty coverage is the worst of the Japanese manufacturers. They don't want to pay for anything.

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Old 04-11-2013, 10:34 AM   #16630
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The XC bars feel a lot different compared to the roadie. They're wider too. There have been a at least a couple of riders that just could never get comfortable, one had back aches, and sold their bikes. Maybe they had back trouble before they bought the bike.
I've said all along that the bars are too straight to be comfortable. They made my hands go numb because of the angle they set my wrists at. So I changed them for some Rentals with more sweep. Pt# 615-01. (WARNING :- it's not a straight swap as I needed to design and have made some clamps to suit) Perfect, all day comfort now.
I believe that either TEX or R1200GS bars will also do the job and are the same diameter as the OE bars.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:45 AM   #16631
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Plenty strong enough. It's what I do when I've got luggage on board.
Thanks. Yeah, it feels like it holds my weight pretty well when I step over but wasn't sure how it would handle it long-term.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:36 PM   #16632
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Ok, I know this has been has been asked a million times, so lets make it a million and one. I was thinking about getting the Tiger 800xc or the Explorer/xc. 800xc is more nimble, better on gas and lighter. The explorer has great horse power and would probably be better on the freeway. %90 of my rides will be on paved roads, but I would love to get a little dirty. Besides price, what are your experiences and or suggestions? Please stay on topic, no pissing matches.

Thanks in advance,
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Both the 800XC and 800 Roadie will be better then the Explorer off road. You've already mentioned the main differences, price, power and weight. The added electronics on the Explorer are kinda cool. Would love to have cruise control and traction control. The show stopper for me on the Explorer would be the additional weight. I've had a top heavy bike before and wouldn't want one again. Best of luck deciding, all are great bikes, it just depends what you want to do with it.
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Old 04-11-2013, 03:11 PM   #16633
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That's good to know. I'm no mechanic, but I can pretty much figure anything out. Are you just following the owner's manual for "DO IT YOURSELF" maintainance and is there anything I should give special attention to??
I do all the maintenance myself, and have followed the factory-recommended maintenance schedule for the most part. Only thing the dealer's done is some minor recall work.

Nothing in particular that needs special attention.

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Old 04-11-2013, 03:24 PM   #16634
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Tiger XC or Explorer?

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Ok, I know this has been has been asked a million times, so lets make it a million and one. I was thinking about getting the Tiger 800xc or the Explorer/xc. 800xc is more nimble, better on gas and lighter. The explorer has great horse power and would probably be better on the freeway. %90 of my rides will be on paved roads, but I would love to get a little dirty. Besides price, what are your experiences and or suggestions? Please stay on topic, no pissing matches.

Thanks in advance,
M5Charlie
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Wow...first post on ADV...on the Tiger thread.

But why do you intro yourself making demands about pissing matches? WTF???


The extra 100lbs and extra couple of grand put the Explorer out of the picture for me. I doubt I could even pickup a loaded 800...but I digress.

I initially thought I was a T800 roadie buyer, but settled on the XC for plusher suspension and the option to easily travel dirt roads. Our local ADV riders just love that shit so one better be ready for it. The XC is great on road and works off too.
Other bikes on my shortlist:
GS
990
Stelvio
S10

I wanted something the wife and I could do weekenders with as well. The XC offers more than enough to do that. Were it not for finding the Tiger I would probably be riding a Super Tenere. After 5K miles on the tiger I would probably choose Explorer over S10. IMO Triumph is more refined than Yamaha without saying there's anything wrong with the Tenere. It's just a really heavy bike, especially for a smaller, older, rider. (like me. LOL)

The seat is way comfy on the Explorer, and who can fault shaft drive. But it's a different kind of bike than the 800. So are you a GS guy or a mid-ADV bike guy? Mine sees about 75-80% street, but the times it doesn't is when the XC really shines. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it for freeway either, it'll cruise at way over limit speeds all day long fully loaded if that's what you want to do.

What do your buddies ride?
Are you planning a lot of 2-up?
What are your previous bikes?
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Old 04-11-2013, 03:42 PM   #16635
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Got an email from Amazon today. CruzTools RoadTech M3 is on sale for $57. The EU Speedkit is $26. Is it worth replacing the OEM kit with either?
http://cruztools.com/products/kitsmetric.html

Anyone know if the M3 roll will fit in a Tool Tube?
I have to say, the 2 items I have from Cruz Tools have left me very disappointed. In addition, there is nothing in that toolkit that you can't put together for much cheaper.

YMMV
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