ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > Beasts > British Beasts: Triumph Tigers
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 04-21-2013, 04:14 PM   #16711
Snapper
Beastly Adventurer
 
Snapper's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfield County, CT
Oddometer: 2,517
Quote:
Originally Posted by eram310 View Post
.... very comfortable compared with my SV650 (with aftermarket suspension) but i have to move more on the seat in order not to scrape ....,
The Roadie's ground clearance is one of the lowest I've ever had (a Harley included)... consider suspension risers (shorter dog bones) for the rear - it has mostly solved my scraping issues.
__________________
Lateral G Junkie
Fear Deer
Snapper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 01:39 AM   #16712
KildareMan
Studly Adventurer
 
KildareMan's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Location: County Kildare, Ireland
Oddometer: 692
I'm kinda surprised by the numbers who say they have issues with various bits scraping on the 800. The only thing I can think of is that there is too little rear preload. I have mine at 15 clicks out and never an issue, and the tyres are used right to the shoulder.

Could preload, or lack of, be the problem?
KildareMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 03:01 AM   #16713
blacktiger
Tigers R great.
 
blacktiger's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Location: St.Leonards on Sea, England.
Oddometer: 3,897
Quote:
Originally Posted by KildareMan View Post
I'm kinda surprised by the numbers who say they have issues with various bits scraping on the 800. The only thing I can think of is that there is too little rear preload. I have mine at 15 clicks out and never an issue, and the tyres are used right to the shoulder.

Could preload, or lack of, be the problem?
Since *BMW found through research that 95% of riders haven't a clue how to set their suspension*, the answer is probably yes.

* the reason they developed their ESA suspension system.


__________________
3 - 1 black Tigers. 955i+800XC (sold)+800XC=113000 miles of fun.

blacktiger screwed with this post 04-22-2013 at 03:07 AM
blacktiger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 07:04 AM   #16714
cug
--
 
Joined: May 2009
Location: Sunny California
Oddometer: 5,030
The answer in my case is "no, it has nothing to do with preload". But it has a lot to do with the suspension being compressed through a bump or speed and the available lean angle being very small.

I have no idea how you guys ride your bikes (probably on better roads) but I have no trouble scraping pegs on the standard Roadie or the XC. Never had that issue when I was alone on one of my Beemers.
__________________
R1200R/RS LC Forum
cug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 07:09 AM   #16715
browneye
PIN IT & BANG GEARS
 
browneye's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Location: Orange County, CA
Oddometer: 6,367
Quote:
Originally Posted by cug View Post
I have no idea how you guys ride your bikes (probably on better roads) but I have no trouble scraping pegs on the standard Roadie or the XC. Never had that issue when I was alone on one of my Beemers.
Has to be the tiger motor.
__________________
Chris Brown - "The Browneye"
"Without Motorcycles, People Live Very Boring Lives." - Malcolm Smith
Camp Nelson 2014 RR Laguna Seca 2012 RR Sequoia 3-Day Campout Thanksgiving 2012
browneye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 07:24 AM   #16716
PVRnick
Pennsy Flyer
 
PVRnick's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Location: SE Pa
Oddometer: 176
Need stiffer springs ?
__________________
Keep your Knees in the Breeze
Nick
'12 Triumph Tiger 800XC
'06 Wee Strom
'95 XR650L
PVRnick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 08:17 AM   #16717
cug
--
 
Joined: May 2009
Location: Sunny California
Oddometer: 5,030
Quote:
Originally Posted by browneye View Post
Has to be the tiger motor.
Actually, you're pretty close I guess. The engine is very wide at the lower parts. Also the foot pegs are super long compared to the ones on the beemers. They stick out much further because they have to because the bike itself is not narrow.

There are few things contributing to the fact that these bikes touch down very easily.
__________________
R1200R/RS LC Forum
cug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 08:21 AM   #16718
cug
--
 
Joined: May 2009
Location: Sunny California
Oddometer: 5,030
Quote:
Originally Posted by PVRnick View Post
Need stiffer springs ?
Not really. I'm very light. And I think Snapper isn't heavy either. It has to do with limited lean angle (if I recall the calculation I made correctly, it's about 36 degrees or so), which is driven by long, low mounted foot pegs, with a wide engine, plus a suspension that isn't really all too well thought out.
__________________
R1200R/RS LC Forum
cug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 11:37 AM   #16719
wspllrll
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Location: Bellefonte PA
Oddometer: 110
Tiger 800 XC wheel nut size

What are the Sizes of the front and rear nut sizes?


27 MM rear and 18 MM front?
wspllrll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 11:48 AM   #16720
marloweluke
The Flying Dutchman
 
marloweluke's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Location: East Kootenay
Oddometer: 149
Quote:
Originally Posted by KildareMan View Post
I'm kinda surprised by the numbers who say they have issues with various bits scraping on the 800. The only thing I can think of is that there is too little rear preload. I have mine at 15 clicks out and never an issue, and the tyres are used right to the shoulder.

Could preload, or lack of, be the problem?
It's definitely not just the preload. I've tried upping preload and that is not a cure. In the end I went with Traxxion Dynamic Penske rear shock and their AK-20 fully adjustable forks. I haven't ridden the bike hard yet with this set-up as the roads are still recovering from winter. With the rear shock in with the correct sag at 58mm and an extra 15mm ride height on the adjustable shock I have still scraped the pegs and I hang off like a monkey. Hopefully the new forks will either eliminate the issue or reduce it to a non-issue. It took some money, but now the bike is sorted.

BTW, I'm not heavy at 175 lbs.
__________________
WITHOUT RISK........THERE IS NO ADVENTURE
marloweluke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 12:08 PM   #16721
vintagebob
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: Aug 2012
Location: San Jose CA
Oddometer: 166
Quote:
Originally Posted by wspllrll View Post
What are the Sizes of the front and rear nut sizes?


27 MM rear and 18 MM front?

I believe, 27mm nut on the rear and 17mm hex key on the front.
__________________
2014 BMW R1200GSA
2013 Honda CB500X
vintagebob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 03:16 PM   #16722
Mercury264
Once you go Triple...
 
Mercury264's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Location: Masshole
Oddometer: 22,332
Went for a great ride yesterday - beautiful sunny day but cold.

Before:



During:



After:



Great day
__________________
'12 Tiger 800XC
'07 TE510
'02 Sprint ST
'99 XR650L
'99 Speed Triple
Mercury264 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 06:36 PM   #16723
Snapper
Beastly Adventurer
 
Snapper's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfield County, CT
Oddometer: 2,517
Quote:
Originally Posted by cug View Post
The answer in my case is "no, it has nothing to do with preload". But it has a lot to do with the suspension being compressed through a bump or speed and the available lean angle being very small.

I have no idea how you guys ride your bikes (probably on better roads) but I have no trouble scraping pegs on the standard Roadie or the XC. Never had that issue when I was alone on one of my Beemers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cug View Post
Not really. I'm very light. And I think Snapper isn't heavy either. It has to do with limited lean angle (if I recall the calculation I made correctly, it's about 36 degrees or so), which is driven by long, low mounted foot pegs, with a wide engine, plus a suspension that isn't really all too well thought out.
Yeah I'm 150 lbs in my birthday suit - call it 165 with riding gear and tankbag. I had an R1100S and R1150GS before the Tiger and like Cug, never touched down on those. I initially cranked pre-load to 40-60% to reduce the scraping problem but the rear became jarringly uncomfortable for my weight until Cug pointed the Lust Racing 1/2" risers on the UK forum. That's mostly solved the problem and I'm now dialed back to ~30% preload, which comfortably feels and an even match to the front shocks, in terms of compliance, for my weight. Now it's just mid corner dips that may bottom me out.

It's not just the pegs - my sidestand kill switch plunger has sheered clean off when I bottomed once (replaced under warranty). Not sure if the engine/peg width is the problem so much as engine height/ground clearance - my previous Harley XR1200 was significantly wider down low and felt like it didn't touch down quite as often (manufacturer spec was 39/40 degree lean angle, L/R).

Having said all that, I'll admit to being an extreme tight technical twist rider that tries to average 5-10 good corners per mile on my favorite routes. I do like to get a cheek off the seat, but have never dragged a knee. HERE'S a typical set of tires off my previous Harley - and don't underestimate this bike, it was one of the funnest corner carving bikes I've ever owned - certainly slower, but the locomotive torque was pure bliss in a corner (complete POS in terms of build quality though).

Always wanted to try Ohlins / suspension mods, but I just can't justify 20+% the cost of bike - maybe one day. Anyways, I'm now happy with the Tiger's stock suspension with the risers installed.

I love this bike, 21k in as many months, and no problems.
__________________
Lateral G Junkie
Fear Deer
Snapper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 07:33 PM   #16724
cug
--
 
Joined: May 2009
Location: Sunny California
Oddometer: 5,030
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapper View Post
Always wanted to try Ohlins / suspension mods, but I just can't justify 20+% the cost of bike
Me neither. Other than it was ~10k less than trading the Tiger for a Multistrada ...
__________________
R1200R/RS LC Forum
cug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 08:08 PM   #16725
doxbike
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Location: Lagunatic Beach
Oddometer: 291
Doesn't look at all fun to me!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercury264 View Post
Went for a great ride yesterday - beautiful sunny day but cold.

Before:



During:



After:



Great day
doxbike is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 07:24 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2015