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Old 05-30-2013, 12:46 AM   #17161
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The magic word is "subframe". You can replace it without disassembling the whole bike. Replacing the full frame (as there is no "sub"frame) on the Tiger is a completely different story.
I think you missed my point
So, it is easier to replace subframe than use well thought after peg mount that will not bend it? I beg to differ.

E.g. just having bolt-on mounts not equal saving subframe.

BTW - he is not replacing it. He is driving over so that I can help him to mend it. We do not have to write off bikes for such reasons over here nor replace subframe since there was no accident or report - no point.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:11 AM   #17162
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I tried that method and it does work. What I didn't like was having to depend on the side stand to support the bike while I tried to do it. The idea of the bike falling over while I tried to "mount" it left me with a very insecure feeling.

So back to my original question. Has anyone lowered their's, and if so, how did you do it?
Thanks for you time,
You raise (lowering the bike) front forks. And put a wishbone/ adjustable links on the shock.

With a simple google search this is what I found first http://www.soupysperformance.com/cat...00/8615306.htm


All in all everyone else is spot on in my opinion. Lowering the Tiger 800 is a bad idea.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:48 AM   #17163
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All in all everyone else is spot on in my opinion. Lowering the Tiger 800 is a bad idea.

Changing the geometry does change the handling characteristics, but it can be improved by spending $$$ on upgrades. If money is no concern, or you already plan on spending it on suspension than you should be able to get "somewhat" close to designed characteristics. But why spend money on getting it back to stock?

For most XC owners clearance is the issue, not getting on and off the bike. 5'10", 180#, bike loaded with weekender and cooler, never had an issue with standing on the peg to saddle up. Even parked on marginal terrain. My racks live on the bike and I stand on pegs about 90% of the time.

Worst case keep a trail stand handy if the side stand breaks, which is highly improbable. Statistically significant? IDK, send me some data and I'll let you know

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Old 05-30-2013, 06:41 AM   #17164
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I tried that method and it does work. What I didn't like was having to depend on the side stand to support the bike while I tried to do it. The idea of the bike falling over while I tried to "mount" it left me with a very insecure feeling.

So back to my original question. Has anyone lowered their's, and if so, how did you do it?
Thanks for you time,
I'm 5'11" 200lbs with 32 inseam and bad back. On my old modified KLR I could barely touch the ground. With top case I was mounting and dismounting standing on pegs from both sides of that bike and my new Tiger. It isn't big deal.
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Old 05-30-2013, 10:08 AM   #17165
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Just returned from a 500 mi two day ride on my new 800XC. Loved most things about the bike, but getting on and off were not two of them. I am 6'1" but my inseam is only 30". I prefer the seat in the high position as it gives my old knees a bit more room and that only compounds the problem. If I could lower it by say 3" it would help a lot. How would I accomplish this? Longer links from the shock to the rear should lower the rear. On the front can I loosen the triple clamp and slide it further down the fork tube? Has anyone lowered an XC? I would love to hear from you if you have.
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I suspect you're another case of not setting your rider sag correctly. Hence the bike is sitting too tall.
I have a 30" inseam according to the jeans I wear and have no trouble with the seat height even set on high.
With the sag set correctly the bike should sink around 65~70mm (1/3rd total travel) when you're sat on it which will allow you to get a foot securely on the ground to get on and off the bike.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:59 PM   #17166
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Just returned from a 500 mi two day ride on my new 800XC. Loved most things about the bike, but getting on and off were not two of them. I am 6'1" but my inseam is only 30". I prefer the seat in the high position as it gives my old knees a bit more room and that only compounds the problem. If I could lower it by say 3" it would help a lot. How would I accomplish this? Longer links from the shock to the rear should lower the rear. On the front can I loosen the triple clamp and slide it further down the fork tube? Has anyone lowered an XC? I would love to hear from you if you have.
Cheers,

Or try the horse mounting technique from the right side. I never liked getting on the low side of the bike. I put my right foot on the peg, lean over the bike a bit, and can mount without adding any weight to the sidestand. Not that you would want to, but using this method you can remove ALL the weight from the sidestand, or put a lot more on it. I have used this on all sized Harley's, ST1300, dirtbikes, small bikes, sport bikes etc. It is especially useful if you have a huge load on the seat, or a passenger.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:05 PM   #17167
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don't worry about the sidestand, it'll hold the bike, you and all your gear just fine. Ever seen a bike laying on the ground because the side stand broke? Me neither.

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Old 05-30-2013, 04:56 PM   #17168
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Lowering my 800 XC

OK gang I give. Don't beat me no more please. I promise not to lower my Tiger. I will try the "horse mount" method.
live2ridetahoe- The seat position is not the problem but the height of the tail as I try to swing my leg over.
blacktiger- Re: Sag. At 6'1 and 270 my guess is that the sag works for me. You are the man! 68,500mi on your 955 and 19,000 on you 2012XC. How do you do it? After all your country is a bit smaller than mine, but none less beautiful.
wheres_bob- Re: High side of bike. I'll try it in my garage with the door shut so that if I make a complete balls up of it no one will ever know. Thanks to all who took their time to respond. Now let's go ride!!
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:11 PM   #17169
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Or try the horse mounting technique from the right side. I never liked getting on the low side of the bike. I put my right foot on the peg, lean over the bike a bit, and can mount without adding any weight to the sidestand. Not that you would want to, but using this method you can remove ALL the weight from the sidestand, or put a lot more on it. I have used this on all sized Harley's, ST1300, dirtbikes, small bikes, sport bikes etc. It is especially useful if you have a huge load on the seat, or a passenger.
I would rather stand on the left peg, low side of the bike than trying to mount using this method from the right. Not sure how this can be safer.
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:02 PM   #17170
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Applevalleyguy,

You can purchase lowering links from Mick in England at :mick416818@yahoo.co.uk

I ordered a set from him. Cost me $63 Canadian and they were delivered in about 8 days from England to Canada. He has a world wide reputation for great service and a great product.
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Old 05-31-2013, 08:34 AM   #17171
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I notice all of you that complain about bad backs, bike is hard to mount, and such. Then you post your inseam and weight... sounds like your all overweight. Just throwing that out there. It's not the bikes fault. NOT trying to piss anyone off. Just calling it as I see it.
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Old 05-31-2013, 08:39 AM   #17172
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:09 AM   #17173
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blacktiger- You are the man! 68,500mi on your 955 and 19,000 on you 2012XC. How do you do it? After all your country is a bit smaller than mine, but none less beautiful.
Well, we do have "The Continent" next to us. i.e. Europe, where most of those (now 69000 miles) have been racked up. I don't use a bike to commute, just nice long touring holidays.
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:31 AM   #17174
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Old 05-31-2013, 10:26 AM   #17175
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Ever seen a bike laying on the ground because the side stand broke?
Yes- but it was probably overloaded with camping gear and random crap without the rider.
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