Triumph Tiger 800

[Paulvt1]

Interview with the Tiger product manager..

http://www.visordown.com/interviews/...ton/15459.html

[markbvt]

Originally Posted by Adv Grifter

A few years back BMW NA decreed all BMW dealers must be well separated from any other brand ... could NOT be in the same showroom.

Apparently that must have been selective, because my local dealer has Triumphs and BMWs sitting right next to each other.

--mark

[bluesman]

apologies if this had been posted before...

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne..._/R-EPI-127492

[markbvt]

Originally Posted by paul thompson

Interview with the Tiger product manager..

http://www.visordown.com/interviews/...ton/15459.html

Thanks for the link. Interesting that Warburton flat-out confirms that the welded-on pillion footpegs are a cost-cutting measure.

Also interesting is the discussion of engine power:

Originally Posted by VisorDown

Finally, you moved the cat right to the front of the header pipes and in doing so the pipes go from 3-into-1 very quickly, restricting the power output. Couldn't you have moved the cat further back and given the Tiger 800 more power?

Certainly. There's no question we could have got a lot more power out of this engine. We targeted 95bhp from this engine from the start. But with new legislation coming in in a couple of years time, it means that new riders will have to ride a bike that produces no more than 95bhp. We thought that this bike was going to be one of the entry points into the Triumph range and so it needed to be eligable for new riders to ride. And secondly, we thought that 95bhp is plenty for this kind of bike, so certainly we could have made more horsepower, but this output isn't stretching the limits of this engine.

So with the engine so understressed, it ought to be capable of good gas mileage, not to mention excellent longevity.

--mark

[nomosnow]

Here are a couple of interesting excerpts from the visordown Triumph interview
"

The pillion pegs are welded to the frame. Is that something that you think you'll need to change in a future model, will there be a backlash against it? What was your reason for it in the first place?
First of all it's cheaper doing it that way and we want to keep the costs down. It's simpler, there are fewer bits to lose, no bolts to work their way out and so in essence it's a more robust solution."

And this one..

"what people want is a little bit of off-road ability to ride on unsurfaced roads without doing any serious off-road."

[sebastianp]

Originally Posted by nomosnow

what people want is a little bit of off-road ability to ride on unsurfaced roads without doing any serious off-road."

It's certainly true for me at least.

[ag_streak]

Originally Posted by jtw000

...I have owned a number of bikes, around 60 and wouldn't consider owning any of them again...

That tells me all I need to know.

[Paulvt1]

First ride. Not very in depth...

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...00-first-ride/

Followed shortly by the first knackered one...

http://www.visordown.com/the-grapevi...ash/15492.html

[markbvt]

Originally Posted by nomosnow

"what people want is a little bit of off-road ability to ride on unsurfaced roads without doing any serious off-road."

That was referring to the regular 800, not the XC.

--mark

[thephantom]

Originally Posted by nomosnow

First of all it's cheaper doing it that way and we want to keep the costs down. It's simpler, there are fewer bits to lose, no bolts to work their way out and so in essence it's a more robust solution."

Who wants to bet that the first revision for the 2012 models will be bolt on footpeg hangers?

[Paulvt1]

I bet it's in the pipeline already. I wonder how many sales that stupid decision will cost vs the cost of having a removable set.

Anyway - a more comprehensive review of the 800 road version..

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...800/15497.html

[Keithy]

Originally Posted by thephantom

Who wants to bet that the first revision for the 2012 models will be bolt on footpeg hangers?

I'd doubt it.....Why not just saw halfway through the tubes if bending the frame is a worry?

Or just cut em off and have the frame powder coated in red!

On my XR which was a single seater I added lugs to the frame and bolted rear pegs on for when I took my missus or the kids out.....For the "gnarley-stuff" I took em off....Best of both worlds.

There's some pictures of mine in the XR400 thread....Spot the brackets!

My fat old pig....122kg fuelled up

[Mercury264]

Originally Posted by paul thompson

I bet it's in the pipeline already. I wonder how many sales that stupid decision will cost vs the cost of having a removable set.

Anyway - a more comprehensive review of the 800 road version..

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...800/15497.html

I can't believe welded on foot pegs will stop anybody buying this bike. I can't understand why everyone is getting their knickers in a twist over it to be honest. The're welded on - so what? Don't like it, cut them off, simple. You can bet someone, right now, is figuring out a kit for bolt on passenger pegs.

[Adv Grifter]

Originally Posted by markbvt

Apparently that must have been selective, because my local dealer has Triumphs and BMWs sitting right next to each other.

--mark

Yes, probably true. Many dealers vehemently resisted these moves and I'm sure some prevailed. A BMW dealer would know more on current policies regarding separation of brands ... but for a time a least this was a very real policy from BMW NA.

[burgerking]

Originally Posted by Adv Grifter

"No Fritz, its not like Germany here in America".

....

so I take it in Germany they have a lot of combined BMW car/motorcycle dealerships?

Can't say I've noticed. Over here they are non-existent. The last thing a BMW car dealer wants is bikers mixing it with his next 5 series customer...

I wouldn't have any problem however if my Triumph dealer starts selling the better part of Triumph's clothing line.

http://www.triumph.com/nl/nl/137.htm...seg.segment_15