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Old 07-03-2013, 08:24 AM   #17566
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Cycle World states that the XC bars are 2.7 inches wider than my Roadie.
As the seat goes I have the front on the high setting and the back mount on the low setting. It levels the seat out and makes it much more comfortable.
The gel seat works well also as long as you have no ass to speak of.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:48 AM   #17567
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Do they have more sweep than T800 bars?
yes, much better on the wrist

http://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php/topic,6632.0.html


I tried the rox risors, didn't help. For sale if you want them.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:15 AM   #17568
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This is all to do with the sweep in the bars. I've said many times that they are too straight which cocks your hands at an unnatural position.
That is definitely true for the XC bars. I'd have to do some more comparisons with the Roadie bars. They are narrower and if I recall correctly also shaped differently. Not saying they are shaped "well" for me, just different.

But to be honest: I find swapping handle bars a pain in the rear - especially as I have no clue whether that solves anything for me. I've ridden the Tiger for 11k miles as is, might as well ride it for a bit longer as long as I keep this bike.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:38 AM   #17569
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Geez, you guys and your bars. I know, you want them 'just right'.

Seriously, the stock XC bars seem a little odd at first, but they are desinged to 'encourage' you to take an attack stance, and they are intentionally wider for greater leverage to control a big bike in rougher conditions than just smooth pavement. This is an adventue bike not a cruiser. I know, some of you want to adjust whatever you get for cruiser comfort - swept back bars, hiway pegs, etc. etc. The Brits tend to take a pretty aggressive stance to their riding. This is a performance bike after all.

If your grip is putting pressure on your thumb and the inside of your palm then you just need to bend your arms at the elbow a little more, that will neutralize the pressure. Same for height - if the bars are a bit low you bend your knees more when standing. For sitting? You guys are raising your bars for sitting? Again, I understand if you're 6-4 and hunched over - different deal there.

Bike design parameters tend to be optimized for an average rider, 5-8 to 6', 165 to 200 lbs. If you're outside of that some mods may be necessary. Otherwise, consider adapting to what the designer intended. I know, you tried it and just didn't like it. Or, some you just can't leave well enough alone.

So that's my take. Please don't be offended.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:14 AM   #17570
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Geez, you guys and your bars. I know, you want them 'just right'.
Not offended at all but please understand this one: due to ergonomic issue on the Tiger I have massive pain my shoulders on long rides. It generally starts after about two hours and gets worse over the day.

This is something that drives me nuts and makes my relationship to the Tiger a total love-hate thing.

I never had issues like this before on any other bike I owned. I was willing to swap risers but kept the bars from the Roadie:

- Roadie risers
- XC risers
- XC risers swapped around
- Roadie risers with Rox
- XC Risers with Rox

The problem still exists and makes me hesitant to go on longer trips. It made parts of our summer vacation trip (3600 miles through the Western US) a torture. You know, when I get off the bike after a few hours and stretch my right shoulder and my wife hears the muscles, joints, tendons cracking and jumping even with ear plugs in - that's not a good sign.

Again: never had anything like that on any other bike I owned. So I'm still looking for a solution. Whether I'm going to try and swap bars without knowing that it'll make it better - I don't know. Maybe. It's a lot of work for very uncertain results.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:23 AM   #17571
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Not offended at all but please understand this one: due to ergonomic issue on the Tiger I have massive pain my shoulders on long rides. It generally starts after about two hours and gets worse over the day.

This is something that drives me nuts and makes my relationship to the Tiger a total love-hate thing.

I never had issues like this before on any other bike I owned. I was willing to swap risers but kept the bars from the Roadie:

- Roadie risers
- XC risers
- XC risers swapped around
- Roadie risers with Rox
- XC Risers with Rox

The problem still exists and makes me hesitant to go on longer trips. It made parts of our summer vacation trip (3600 miles through the Western US) a torture. You know, when I get off the bike after a few hours and stretch my right shoulder and my wife hears the muscles, joints, tendons cracking and jumping even with ear plugs in - that's not a good sign.

Again: never had anything like that on any other bike I owned. So I'm still looking for a solution. Whether I'm going to try and swap bars without knowing that it'll make it better - I don't know. Maybe. It's a lot of work for very uncertain results.

You currently ride other bikes that this doesn't happen or previous bikes?

Chances are you have a pinched nerve or something irritating your shoulder area.

Pack some ibuprofin, I never leave home without it. I'm only 33 and my shoulder/ neck area and wrists ache like a SOB half way through a long day ride.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:27 AM   #17572
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You currently ride other bikes that this doesn't happen or previous bikes?
Yes, I do from time to time. And no, I normally don't have issues on these bikes if I have not ridden my Tiger in the days before.

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Pack some ibuprofin, I never leave home without it. I'm only 33 and my shoulder/ neck area and wrists ache like a SOB half way through a long day ride.
Sorry, but I'm not in the medicate for everything camp. Every single medication I take is very carefully considered (meaning I rarely take anything at all). And if I had to take pain medication every time I ride the bike I'd give up riding. But let's not start an argument around that, let's just say it's not a solution I would even consider.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:33 AM   #17573
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Yeah Cug, maybe it's not the bike...maybe it's just your shoulder! And old age. LOL.

All I'm saying it maybe it has nothing to do with the bike. Seems to me your wife/GF has a 650 beemer or something? If you swap bikes does the pain go away?

I'm getting closer to 60 than 50, and I can tell you I ache all over after a full day in the saddle. It doesn't matter what I'm riding.

I have a herniated disc lumbar 4-5. The Versys used to give me migrains from time to time. This was one of my primary reasons for going with the XC - soft rear suspension. It doesn't bother my back from jarring. I'm fine on the dualsport - when it gets rough at all I stand up. As long as my muscles are 'hot' I don't have back pain. Sitting for long distances puts me at greatest risk.

Though I do recall a Tiger owner selling his roadie that was pretty new, about the time I was looking to buy. Thought about buying his, but the selling price wasn't low enough to warrant flying to Dallas and riding it back to So-Cal. He would get a ache between his shoulders after a short time on the bike, and no matter what he did it didn't get better so he sold it.

Hope you get it worked out.


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Sorry, but I'm not in the medicate for everything camp. Every single medication I take is very carefully considered (meaning I rarely take anything at all). And if I had to take pain medication every time I ride the bike I'd give up riding. But let's not start an argument around that, let's just say it's not a solution I would even consider.
^^This. I'd rather suffer a bit - it's my body telling me to stop what I'm doing that's irritating it. If you numb it down then you can't tell when you're really damaging something. If my back is killing me then I'll take a couple of IB's. I have flexerils, vicodin, ib 800's, a plethora of drugs - just hate taking them. Sometimes I get shooting flaming pain in my knee, I know that's a pinched nerve. I thought I had shingles one time - went to the doc and he said nerves in the middle of my back were causing the pain, not shingles. A little 'puff' now and then is a different story. LOL.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:33 AM   #17574
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Yes, I do from time to time. And no, I normally don't have issues on these bikes if I have not ridden my Tiger in the days before.



Sorry, but I'm not in the medicate for everything camp. Every single medication I take is very carefully considered (meaning I rarely take anything at all). And if I had to take pain medication every time I ride the bike I'd give up riding. But let's not start an argument around that, let's just say it's not a solution I would even consider.

Yea I hear ya, I actually feel the same as you on medication but specifically with riding/wakeboarding/skiing I have come to grips it isnt normal wear and tear on my body it's a lot of moving, shaking, rattling and limited variations of extended ergo positions. Have yet to come home feeling more refreshed and energized than when I left. More like a hot shower and a cold beer later

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Old 07-03-2013, 12:00 PM   #17575
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Yeah Cug, maybe it's not the bike...maybe it's just your shoulder! And old age. LOL.
No doubt about that one ...

Although, 43 (not quite, but close enough) isn't old enough to have these issues in my opinion.

I have ridden the F650GS (have to consciously stay very upright on that one because the bars are too far back for my taste) and it wasn't an issue. At least not an issue with that particular problem.

She now has an R1200R and there it wasn't a problem either but I haven't ridden it long enough to be certain (longest ride was 45 minutes or).

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All I'm saying it maybe it has nothing to do with the bike.
Kind of agreed. It's certainly a combination of existing issues in my shoulders together with sitting in one position for a long time, maybe together with the position itself.

If I could figure out WHAT to change to get it right, I'd do it right away without even thinking about it. But I don't know where the actual problem comes from - bars too close or too far away, too high or too low, too much sweep, not enough sweep? Seat putting my back into a bad position? Whatever it is, it's the one remaining thing I can't seem to get right.

And for comparison: I did three consecutive 16 hour days on my R1200GS and had no shoulder issues at all. Maybe I wasn't quite as f'd up as I am at the moment, but definitely not much better either.

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If you numb it down then you can't tell when you're really damaging something.
Yep. And I take away efficiency for the next time.

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Have yet to come home feeling more refreshed and energized than when I left. More like a hot shower and a cold beer later
Totally true, but fatigue vs predictable, constant pain is quite a different story. I have been riding for years and given my experience with working at a desk too much, plus driving or riding for too long during different times in my life tells me that something that either is wrong with the body position or something I'm doing or not doing while riding is causing this. It's ike positioning your computer screen not straight in front of you but slightly side ways (even half an inch or so) can cause very similar issues.

Either I'll figure it out our it'll go away (hopefully) when I switch bikes again. I'm not known to stay on any given bike all too long anyways ...
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:27 PM   #17576
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No doubt about that one ...

Although, 43 (not quite, but close enough) isn't old enough to have these issues in my opinion.
Um yeah, plenty old.

My first whiplash was at 21. At least a half dozen injuries over the following 30 years. I call it my Rice Krispies back...snap crackle and pop. Three different months-long chiropractor sessions that got my back to the point it was a noodle and would never stay in place. I can't pickup more than 50 pounds or I compress the disc and get a headache. God help me if I have to pick up a dropped bike. So I just don't do that - drop them that is.

Didn't you just have a pretty serious bike wreck on your Tiger? Did you have the pain before the wreck?
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:42 PM   #17577
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Didn't you just have a pretty serious bike wreck on your Tiger? Did you have the pain before the wreck?
Yeah, I started having these issues after about 2k miles on the Tiger last year. It's at 11k now, the accident traces are all gone by now (on bike as well as on myself), the bike is probably in better shape than it was before and I know way more about how all things are built in the front end ...

The last thing that needed sorting technically was a pulsing when braking, a warped disk caused that and a new disk fixed it quite nicely. During that time I also installed a beak:



Price was pretty good at Bike Bandit, around $80, but when you get individual parts instead of the kit, the site misses two bolts. I had some at home which, combined with washers, did the trick, just be aware that if you order the items individually, four of these:

4x SCREW, LGE HEAD, M5x16

are not enough. The actual kit comes with

2x Screw, M5 x 14 mm

in addition to the ones above. Anyways, it was a less pricey way of getting the beak and it looks pretty good in my opinion.

Side view, although not a very good one with the dark green in the background:

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Old 07-03-2013, 12:43 PM   #17578
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No doubt about that one ...

Although, 43 (not quite, but close enough) isn't old enough to have these issues in my opinion.

I have ridden the F650GS (have to consciously stay very upright on that one because the bars are too far back for my taste) and it wasn't an issue. At least not an issue with that particular problem.

She now has an R1200R and there it wasn't a problem either but I haven't ridden it long enough to be certain (longest ride was 45 minutes or).



Kind of agreed. It's certainly a combination of existing issues in my shoulders together with sitting in one position for a long time, maybe together with the position itself.

If I could figure out WHAT to change to get it right, I'd do it right away without even thinking about it. But I don't know where the actual problem comes from - bars too close or too far away, too high or too low, too much sweep, not enough sweep? Seat putting my back into a bad position? Whatever it is, it's the one remaining thing I can't seem to get right.

And for comparison: I did three consecutive 16 hour days on my R1200GS and had no shoulder issues at all. Maybe I wasn't quite as f'd up as I am at the moment, but definitely not much better either.



Yep. And I take away efficiency for the next time.



Totally true, but fatigue vs predictable, constant pain is quite a different story. I have been riding for years and given my experience with working at a desk too much, plus driving or riding for too long during different times in my life tells me that something that either is wrong with the body position or something I'm doing or not doing while riding is causing this. It's ike positioning your computer screen not straight in front of you but slightly side ways (even half an inch or so) can cause very similar issues.

Either I'll figure it out our it'll go away (hopefully) when I switch bikes again. I'm not known to stay on any given bike all too long anyways ...
Do you ever stand while riding? Just wondering if it could help. My wife and I both stand if we've been riding a long stretch, or in the dirt. Gives your muscles a good stretch and for me my legs. I end up riding for 20-30 minutes standing sometimes. Jodie gets some looks while standing on her Street Triple.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:45 PM   #17579
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I do that from time to time as it is an easy way to force a different posture.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:06 PM   #17580
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I'm pretty sure standing up is illegal in most cities/states, especially California.

I do it anyway, but not for any distance. One of my 990 buddies is also a trials rider and he's always standing on that stupid thing!
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