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Old 07-04-2013, 09:47 AM   #17611
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The injuries and accommodating them I completely understand. But this? You lost me there.
When I get on an F800GS, Multistrada, 1200GS, the riding position is perfect for touring/adventure riding. The 800XC gives you a different feel. The handlebars are more forward and lower. Not a sports bike, but not a touring/adventure bike either.
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Old 07-04-2013, 10:02 AM   #17612
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With all this talk about ergos I thought I would post up my personal review of the new Sergeant "World Sport Adventure Touring" 2 piece seat set.

Summary: Utter rubbish.

I would post up pictures, but I took it off and put it back in the box and am trying to decide what's next. Send it back or have a local guy do some reshaping.

Overall it has some potential, but has some serious flaws that can only be partially overcome.

The first problem, which is not going to change, is the base. Sergeant makes their own seat base. It is plastic that looks like carbon fiber. It is not, but what it is, is thin and flimsy. It installs nicely and fits okay, but just okay. The seat/tank junction is not as clean as stock. However, as soon as you sit on it, it wiggles around underneath your weight. Also, when you sit on it, it pulls away from the gas tank junction. Now, I'm not as skinny as I used to be, but still only weigh around 195 lbs, so IMO, at that weight there is no way it should do either of these things.

That overall is a minor issue, but the major issue is the shape of the seat. The rear portion of the seat is nicely done and is a much better shape than stock. However, the front of the seat is horrid. It is too wide and forces your legs too far outward at stops. More importantly there is a weird hump or ridge that puts pressure on the backs of my legs which causes my feet to go numb in less than 20 minutes. Sergeant uses a super dense foam, like Corbin does and because it's so dense it does not give under your weight; so that ridge does not disappear, it just puts pressure on either my nerve or the femoral artery and make my feet go numb.

And, lastly, the passenger seat extends back further than stock. I have the Altrider rear rack and they interfere with each other. It makes installation and removal a challenge. Not really a flaw with Sergeant, but something that was not engineered well. However, what is a flaw is the latch. It is too short to just snap into place, like the factory seat. You have to really give it a good whack to get it to latch. Then getting it to unlatch is really a challenge too. In the short term it's not that big of a deal, but long term I think it could lead to excessive wear and tear to Tiger latching mechanism.

IMO, save your money and don't buy this seat.
This is some good feedback. Have you tried contacting Sargent to give them this feedback to see if they can make it right with you and hopefully you would have provided some free R&D - though you shouldn't have had to, to start off with. Let's see how open this co. is in taking feedback.
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Old 07-04-2013, 10:48 AM   #17613
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This is some good feedback. Have you tried contacting Sargent to give them this feedback to see if they can make it right with you and hopefully you would have provided some free R&D - though you shouldn't have had to, to start off with. Let's see how open this co. is in taking feedback.

Not yet. I will after the holiday. (here in the US)
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:04 AM   #17614
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Sorry to hear that the seat is a disappointment for you. I had high expectations of the Sargent since the one I have on my SV has drastically improved the comfort. I just couldn't convince myself to pony up the cash for the Sargent at this time, and I certainly expected that at that price point, it would be THE seat to get if you could afford it.

I recently had a seat done by Spencer and though I have yet to put in a real long distance trip with it, it has been a significant improvement already. I can't say how it measures up to other aftermarket options, but the shape and foam density are definitely way more advanced than the stocker's.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:37 AM   #17615
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This is some good feedback. Have you tried contacting Sargent to give them this feedback to see if they can make it right with you and hopefully you would have provided some free R&D - though you shouldn't have had to, to start off with. Let's see how open this co. is in taking feedback.
I too just got a worldsport seat from Sargent, but my experience differs. I know from first hand experience Sargent is very receptive to feedback and will work with you to obtain a satisfactory outcome. The seat itself provides significantly more support, and I didn't find the pan to be flimsy. I know from previous Sargent seats I've had that it takes a while for the foam to break in. They always feel firm (but NOT Corbin firm) when new but soften a bit over time. I do not find the nose of the seat to be too wide even though I don't have a long inseam (30"). I haven't gotten to take a trip on the seat yet, but for the time I've spent on it I've been relatively happy and consider it a significant improvement over stock. I do agree with the fitment of the rear seat into the latch being too tight, but latching/releasing only requires a little persuasion. This may get easier over time as the rubber bumpers on the bottom of the seat pan compress. In summary I have no real complaints and am happy to spend my money with a customer-centric company that builds quality products.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:47 AM   #17616
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The trick here is to ride other bikes that have a reputation for being comfortable. i.e BMW R1200GS & RT & the wife's "R".
I know and I'm doing that. The trick is to not have ridden my Tiger long enough so I'm not in a "existing pre-condition state" + riding the respective bikes long enough to get a proper impression. I might be able to do that with the R (which has bars about the same width as the Roadie, but more sweep), but with the others that won't be easily possible.

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I'll tell you that it's mostly how much weight is on your wrists and the angle they grip the bars at. I find it's all about being able to relax when riding. Can you relax your elbows? I mean can they drop loose? If any part of you is tense the muscles around there will fatigue and give you pain.
There is absolutely no weight on my wrists when I use Roadie (low) + Rox risers. That's how I rode on the long vacation trip. First day I was uncomfortable, second day I was in pain. Awesome. The angle of the wrists doesn't seem to be a problem either as I have absolutely no issues with wrists or elbows. Just shoulders and there mostly the right (because I can't ride with just the left grip as I have no cruise).

I will likely try a bit more as it is cheaper than replacing the bike.
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:04 PM   #17617
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Agreed... Cheap fix! I put on a pair of Pro Grip 714 Dual Sport MX Grips. They are thicker in the middle to spread the weight and relieve the pressure from the outside of your hands. As a bonus they also provide much better vibration isolation, and being a larger diameter help prevent throttle hand cramps.

These are the grips i've run since day 1 with the bike. good stuff!
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:07 PM   #17618
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These are the grips i've run since day 1 with the bike. good stuff!
You guys keeping my credit card company happy.
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:07 PM   #17619
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Greetings,
Was ready to pull the trigger on buying a new DR650SE and was supposed to pick it up on Saturday. Before sealing the deal made one last trip to all the bike shops and found a gorgeous matte green 2013 XC. Thought about it overnight then emailed the dealer the next morning and he accepted my offer. Pick it up tomorrow. Looking forward to learning about the bike and how to farkle it to death.
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:11 PM   #17620
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:23 PM   #17621
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Greetings,
Was ready to pull the trigger on buying a new DR650SE and was supposed to pick it up on Saturday. Before sealing the deal made one last trip to all the bike shops and found a gorgeous matte green 2013 XC. Thought about it overnight then emailed the dealer the next morning and he accepted my offer. Pick it up tomorrow. Looking forward to learning about the bike and how to farkle it to death.
Well done, I've had mine (same colour) for a couple of months and have spent far to much money on it but broke my ankle last week so no riding for 6 weeks.
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:32 PM   #17622
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fuck it. its just money
I know.
But it leave less money for hookers and blow.
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Old 07-04-2013, 01:51 PM   #17623
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Greetings,
Was ready to pull the trigger on buying a new DR650SE and was supposed to pick it up on Saturday. Before sealing the deal made one last trip to all the bike shops and found a gorgeous matte green 2013 XC. Thought about it overnight then emailed the dealer the next morning and he accepted my offer. Pick it up tomorrow. Looking forward to learning about the bike and how to farkle it to death.
Whopping step up. From mild to wild.

Hope you have some seat time prior. Definitely not a beginner bike.
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:20 PM   #17624
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With all this talk about ergos I thought I would post up my personal review of the new Sergeant "World Sport Adventure Touring" 2 piece seat set.

Summary: Utter rubbish.

I would post up pictures, but I took it off and put it back in the box and am trying to decide what's next. Send it back or have a local guy do some reshaping.

Overall it has some potential, but has some serious flaws that can only be partially overcome.

The first problem, which is not going to change, is the base. Sergeant makes their own seat base. It is plastic that looks like carbon fiber. It is not, but what it is, is thin and flimsy. It installs nicely and fits okay, but just okay. The seat/tank junction is not as clean as stock. However, as soon as you sit on it, it wiggles around underneath your weight. Also, when you sit on it, it pulls away from the gas tank junction. Now, I'm not as skinny as I used to be, but still only weigh around 195 lbs, so IMO, at that weight there is no way it should do either of these things.

That overall is a minor issue, but the major issue is the shape of the seat. The rear portion of the seat is nicely done and is a much better shape than stock. However, the front of the seat is horrid. It is too wide and forces your legs too far outward at stops. More importantly there is a weird hump or ridge that puts pressure on the backs of my legs which causes my feet to go numb in less than 20 minutes. Sergeant uses a super dense foam, like Corbin does and because it's so dense it does not give under your weight; so that ridge does not disappear, it just puts pressure on either my nerve or the femoral artery and make my feet go numb.

And, lastly, the passenger seat extends back further than stock. I have the Altrider rear rack and they interfere with each other. It makes installation and removal a challenge. Not really a flaw with Sergeant, but something that was not engineered well. However, what is a flaw is the latch. It is too short to just snap into place, like the factory seat. You have to really give it a good whack to get it to latch. Then getting it to unlatch is really a challenge too. In the short term it's not that big of a deal, but long term I think it could lead to excessive wear and tear to Tiger latching mechanism.

IMO, save your money and don't buy this seat.
Thanks for the detailed information. Saddleman may be a viable option...
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:30 PM   #17625
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Whopping step up. From mild to wild.

Hope you have some seat time prior. Definitely not a beginner bike.

A little seat time, been riding since 1972 or so and also own a 2012 Kawasaki Concours 1400. So I should be able to handle the XC:)

I have a Givi V46 Monokey Topcase mounted on the rack of the Concours. Does anyone make an adapter so I can pop this on the rear rack of the XC?

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