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Old 07-29-2013, 09:42 PM   #17986
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My scorp trails are just about worn out, but I have liked them better than the Fullbores. About 3K miles on the latter, 5k miles on the former and look to go maybe another thousand or so.

Thinking about trying the new Anakee 3's, but I see they come in V and H rating - which do I want? Seems to me the trails are V rated. Are H-rated a harder compound but less sticky?

Anyone try the new Anakees?

I've got about 500 miles on the Anakee 3's and I'm happy so far. They are much better on tar snakes than the stock Scorpions were and they seem to have good grip wet and dry. We'll see how they do for mileage.
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:55 PM   #17987
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I've got about 500 miles on the Anakee 3's and I'm happy so far. They are much better on tar snakes than the stock Scorpions were and they seem to have good grip wet and dry. We'll see how they do for mileage.
I have no question the tire would suit my riding style. What I want to know is H or V rating since they offer both on the 150 rear.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:55 AM   #17988
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If you're just going to ride dirt then get a greensticker dirtbike and go out and ride it. A KDX, WR250F, 250exc, or any number of dirtbikes will get you learned and dirty. The lighter the better. Older models can be had for cheap.

The DRZ is a decent little dualsport, but it's still heavy and underpowered compared to the others.

Or take up observed trials. If you're really in Apple Valley join the Plonkers, get a trials bike and ride their events. Nothing will teach you dirt skills like trials riding.

Done right you'll realize the XC has no business being offroad anyway.
It's all in the definition of 'offroad' I guess....
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:20 AM   #17989
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I am loving my 2013 XC. Switched from a Sprint to the XC because of old knees. Now that I have the XC it seems a shame not to use it on a little dirt, but I don't want to start with the XC. Just looking to do easy stuff. After almost 50 years of street riding I am going to try dirt. Ain't that a strange one. Any thoughts? A friend has a DRZ-400 and loves it. I will be buying used and my budget is $3K give or take.
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some form of a 250... 250f, rmz250, yz250. 4 strokes are easy to maintain and easy to ride. my choice is rmz250. get an 09 or later (suzuki) and you wont pay the high price for fuel injection.

i started this a while back, it went over like a lead balloon...
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:26 AM   #17990
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some form of a 250... 250f, rmz250, yz250. 4 strokes are easy to maintain and easy to ride. my choice is rmz250. get an 09 or later (suzuki) and you wont pay the high price for fuel injection.

i started this a while back, it went over like a lead balloon...
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=764751
The zook is a decent bike, just rare as hens teeth. That's a nice one.

Suzuki just never kept up with the racing four-stroke scene. The KX and CRR were more popular, all have a short-lived top end and can be expensive to rebuild. Of them zook and YZF are probably the most durable but nothing compared to a KTM. And they are all tuned and geared for a track and thus not nearly as good for trails as other purpose-built trail bikes like the EXC series, WRF, CRFX.

The KDX, WRF, and EXC are about the best performance trail machines in existence. Depending on your locale, they can be found with a hiway plate which extends your riding area. The modern aluminum-framed models are a bitch to work on, almost impossible to even change a jet without removing the whole back of the bike. Condition is everything when choosing a used one.

I found this gem on CL with a plate. In '04 it was a red-sticker (seasonal offroad) bike but it went to Louisiana and got a plate, they transferred it when it came back. Low time, 235lbs, great performer.

This is a bike for OFFROAD. Really, how can you compare a Tiger XC to one of these for trailriding?

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Old 07-30-2013, 09:54 AM   #17991
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I have no question the tire would suit my riding style. What I want to know is H or V rating since they offer both on the 150 rear.
I just bought a new set of Anakee IIIs this month. I struggled with the choice of V or H rating as well.

I'm sure the H rated set would be just fine. There are probably many others like bross out there running them with no problems.

But, ultimately I went with the V for no other reason than that's what the factory spec'd. Normally I don't hesitate to change and improve upon what the factory has done with the bike. But tires are a pretty important part of the equation to me; if they say I should be on Vs, I'll buy Vs. The price difference is only $18 over the Hs.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:36 AM   #17992
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Yeah, it's not about the speed rating as much as the compound that gets that rating. Seems to me if a H is sticky enough it's a harder compound and thus lasts longer. I know car tires are that way, the V or Z rated tires will evaporate.
You're, usually, pretty-well informed. However, with this, you are misinformed or mis-assumed.

Speed rating is independent of treadwear. Speed rating is based on the carcass construction. Generally, the higher speed rated tires are going to have more/stronger circumferential belts, to combat growth/stress loads. In the automotive world, tires are issued a treadwear rating. The lower the number, generally, the better the traction/softer tread/less life.

H-rated tires are more than adequate, for your bike.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:02 AM   #17993
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The zook is a decent bike, just rare as hens teeth. That's a nice one.

Suzuki just never kept up with the racing four-stroke scene. The KX and CRR were more popular, all have a short-lived top end and can be expensive to rebuild. Of them zook and YZF are probably the most durable but nothing compared to a KTM. And they are all tuned and geared for a track and thus not nearly as good for trails as other purpose-built trail bikes like the EXC series, WRF, CRFX.

The KDX, WRF, and EXC are about the best performance trail machines in existence. Depending on your locale, they can be found with a hiway plate which extends your riding area. The modern aluminum-framed models are a bitch to work on, almost impossible to even change a jet without removing the whole back of the bike. Condition is everything when choosing a used one.

I found this gem on CL with a plate. In '04 it was a red-sticker (seasonal offroad) bike but it went to Louisiana and got a plate, they transferred it when it came back. Low time, 235lbs, great performer.

This is a bike for OFFROAD. Really, how can you compare a Tiger XC to one of these for trailriding?

He said he wanted something to learn on. i could argue all day long that the RMZ is the best bike to learn on for the money! (but thats a different forum) yes there are better race bikes. there is always something better...
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:32 AM   #17994
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You're, usually, pretty-well informed. However, with this, you are misinformed or mis-assumed.

Speed rating is independent of treadwear. Speed rating is based on the carcass construction. Generally, the higher speed rated tires are going to have more/stronger circumferential belts, to combat growth/stress loads. In the automotive world, tires are issued a treadwear rating. The lower the number, generally, the better the traction/softer tread/less life.

H-rated tires are more than adequate, for your bike.

You're right, I have no clue. That's why I was asking.

But why did the factory spec V tires on it then? And perhaps the carcass stiffness of the V tire provides for better handling for the Tiger, no?

I'm pretty sure that at least some tires have a different tread compound for various speed ratings, but maybe not on motorcycle tires. Seems to me the PR3's are dual compound - softer on the shoulders for leaning over, harder in the middle for upright slabbing.

I'm just not clear why they would have a H and a V in the same tire, at least from Michelin. Pirelli only has a V rating on the 'trails but different sku's for various specific bikes as oem fitment. The retailers include the 'G' version which is specifically for the F650 bmw, but they don't say what's different about it, but it does cost more.

I'm so confused.

I did find a couple of pretty good threads on the new tire, quite a few GS's with them and a few of our tiger owners from here were on it. Seems like it would be a good tire for me, although the noise reports were a little disconcerting.

My scorp trail on the back is getting pretty flat across the tread - squared?. That always happens here in so-Cal from all the freeway running. I may throw new tires on it sooner rather than later. They're not that much money. Or I'll run out the Fullbores some more. Would kind of like to save those for more offroad type trips though. They work really well in dirt but not as good on street.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:53 AM   #17995
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This is a bike for OFFROAD. Really, how can you compare a Tiger XC to one of these for trailriding?

This is why most of us need multiple bikes.



Although I was catching funny looks from guys riding these types of bikes who had to trailer them up parked at various parts of the trail to the top of Engineer pass watching me rooster tail gravel and larger rocks from a 500lb bike 2-up with a devilish grin I couldn't wipe off if I tried!

I would say the XC is a perfect compromise for me as the only horse in the stable (At the moment). My Street Legal XR400 was great for tearing up any rough terrain but it only did that, not comfortable on the ride to the trails and couldn't even think of taking a passenger (As pictured above).

Since I found the right suspension settings to eliminate the majority of the chain slap it has really proven to be the best choice for my riding style. It really eats up whatever I throw at it.

There's a few guys I ride with on this forum and can attest the shit they ride the smaller bikes in I'm right there with them. The XC is only limited by my skill level not the other way around...

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Old 07-30-2013, 12:46 PM   #17996
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My mates slightly newer one.

My 12' and 13' look just like this
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Old 07-30-2013, 01:02 PM   #17997
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This is why most of us need multiple bikes.



Although I was catching funny looks from guys riding these types of bikes who had to trailer them up parked at various parts of the trail to the top of Engineer pass watching me rooster tail gravel and larger rocks from a 500lb bike 2-up with a devilish grin I couldn't wipe off if I tried!
I could only imagine, I got about 50 yards up the trail when I realized there was no way I was going to trash my buddies truck trying to get up Engineer. I have a rule to not treat others gear as if it's my own

Other wise we would have hiked Handies instead of over Owl's Creek Pass.

I agree it's me, not the bike that is the limiting factor. But in skiing, it's the gear, not the skier
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Old 07-30-2013, 04:32 PM   #17998
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Looking for a DUAL SPORT to learn on. Here in the high desert we have many trails right in our back yard and it makes no sense to have to trailer the bike to get to those trails because it isn't street legal. I know that most dual sports are not state of the art, but then neither am I. I need something about as sophisticated as a hammer. I'm 6'2" 250lbs so I don't know if a 250 has enough grunt. Need something big enough to haul me around with a price tag not to exceed $3,500. Any suggestions?
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Looking for a DUAL SPORT to learn on. Here in the high desert we have many trails right in our back yard and it makes no sense to have to trailer the bike to get to those trails because it isn't street legal. I know that most dual sports are not state of the art, but then neither am I. I need something about as sophisticated as a hammer. I'm 6'2" 250lbs so I don't know if a 250 has enough grunt. Need something big enough to haul me around with a price tag not to exceed $3,500. Any suggestions?
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I paid $2200 for my DRZ400S. I tear it up on all the black/hardest trails and still comfortably go 70mph on the freeway.

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Looking for a DUAL SPORT to learn on. Here in the high desert we have many trails right in our back yard and it makes no sense to have to trailer the bike to get to those trails because it isn't street legal. I know that most dual sports are not state of the art, but then neither am I. I need something about as sophisticated as a hammer. I'm 6'2" 250lbs so I don't know if a 250 has enough grunt. Need something big enough to haul me around with a price tag not to exceed $3,500. Any suggestions?
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For what you're doing, you'd be hard pressed to beat a DRZ in terms of value and if you don't trash it, you can sell a decent one in a heartbeat and the learning experience will cost you nothing. You might also keep an eye out for an XR650L Honda, those are pretty bulletproof and will take you anywhere you want to go. Given your size, you don't want a 250 dual sport. I've got a Yam WR250R and while it does has some advantages, if I had to give up it or the DRZ, I think the DRZ would be the one I'd keep, tho it's great to have both...and an XC!
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