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Old 11-30-2013, 05:24 PM   #19066
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Nice!

I installed Explorer bars (also have rox risers with dampers) and have no issues with vibration.

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I'm home for Thanksgiving and I got to take my dad's barely-broken-in 2013 800 XC out for a mix of slab and dirt today. We rode from Sugar Land out to the edge of Hill Country - this thing eats up miles a lot better than my 250!



I'm amazed he trusted me with it! (to be honest he was probably second-guessing his trust during that water crossing, but everything went OK)

LOVE that triple - only problem now is I want a big bike someday!

He's thinking of putting on Explorer bars because he finds the stockers too "flat" (not enough bend). Bar risers would also be nice. I'm worried either of those mods would upset the harmonic balance of the bars and cause them to vibrate. It looks like I have a lot of reading to do in this thread - cheers all!
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Old 11-30-2013, 09:40 PM   #19067
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Nice!

I installed Explorer bars (also have rox risers with dampers) and have no issues with vibration.
Thanks for the input! Do you use the Explorer roadie or XC bars? Are they even different? A quick look suggests the two have different BikeBandit part numbers but I can't be sure - Google results are vague. If anything, I expect the Explorer XC bars to be wider than the roadie's.

I'm going to get the Explorer bars first and maybe put the risers on later. For the record, I like the bend of the stock bars but I just found them too low to stand up for extended periods (I'm 6'2.5 and I have shorty T-rex arms). My dad finds the height OK-ish but he hates the stock bend and it's his bike, so he calls the shots!

I was really impressed with how smooth the bike felt rolling over washboard gravel, so all-day standing probably isn't necessary unless one is continuously going over something rougher or more technical. Maybe I'll get him those anti-vibe risers as a Christmas present and shame him into putting them on!

If vibrations are an issue at any point, I might look into Bueller's insight on engine mounts but this bike is so smooth compared to anything else I've ever ridden! If it ain't broke, don't go pokin' around with your engine mount bolts.
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Old 11-30-2013, 09:50 PM   #19068
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compared to anything else I've ever ridden! If it ain't broke, don't go pokin' around with your engine mount bolts.
Indeed it is smooth. However the left lower motormount bolt has an adjustable shim to take up all space between the frame mounting tangs and the engine mount casting. Many have been found to be loose and as a result a little more buzziness is felt. It's been addressed elsewhere in the tiger threads.

A lot of riders have preferred the explorer bars. And for your height I imagine the stock bar height might be a bit low.
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Old 11-30-2013, 10:52 PM   #19069
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Indeed it is smooth. However the left lower motormount bolt has an adjustable shim to take up all space between the frame mounting tangs and the engine mount casting. Many have been found to be loose and as a result a little more buzziness is felt. It's been addressed elsewhere in the tiger threads.

A lot of riders have preferred the explorer bars. And for your height I imagine the stock bar height might be a bit low.
Indeed, that's what I linked to in my previous post (the fix is here, just in case anyone else is looking for it)
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:54 AM   #19070
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Sold my Scrambler today. Tiger shopping here I come.

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Old 12-01-2013, 04:24 AM   #19071
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Sold my Scrambler today. Tiger shopping here I come.
You'll find the Tiger much more capable in all areas.
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Old 12-01-2013, 10:35 AM   #19072
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You'll find the Tiger much more capable in all areas.
+100 I demoed a Scram once and it was the second most disappointing motorcycle ride of my life. First place belongs to my uncle's Harley.
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Old 12-01-2013, 10:58 PM   #19073
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:05 AM   #19074
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+100 I demoed a Scram once and it was the second most disappointing motorcycle ride of my life. First place belongs to my uncle's Harley.
Must explain why so many come up for sale. They look intriguing, though.

Agreed, on Harleys. I've never ridden one that I like. Though, I've not had the opportunity to take any variation of V-Rod for a spin.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:17 AM   #19075
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I believe that depending on how the various bolts are tightened it can cause the buzziness in the bars. When I first put my Barkbusters on the vibration increased greatly. Soon after I made some changes to bar position loosening the bolts in the ROx risers and the barkbusters and when I tightened everything up the vibration was gone. I think you need to try and keep the bars in a neutral, non-stressed position. Meaning don't do something like push or pull on them while tightening to get them into a position. I also think the amount of torque on each bolt and even the order of tightening them can be involved. I would try to loosen the bolts and then snug them each up slowly. Don't torque one down and move to the next. I bought the Barkbuster Storms in a kit specific to the Tiger 800, but the fit was very poor and ended up having to buy other hardware to clear cables. I recently ordered Explorer bars to try and get more comfortable and relieve thumb pressure and pain. Time to install it all again.
Yeah, this may be my problem. I'm using the Acerbis hand guards and I had to push and pull to get things lined up.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:23 AM   #19076
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I believe that depending on how the various bolts are tightened it can cause the buzziness in the bars. When I first put my Barkbusters on the vibration increased greatly. Soon after I made some changes to bar position loosening the bolts in the ROx risers and the barkbusters and when I tightened everything up the vibration was gone. I think you need to try and keep the bars in a neutral, non-stressed position. Meaning don't do something like push or pull on them while tightening to get them into a position. I also think the amount of torque on each bolt and even the order of tightening them can be involved. I would try to loosen the bolts and then snug them each up slowly. Don't torque one down and move to the next. I bought the Barkbuster Storms in a kit specific to the Tiger 800, but the fit was very poor and ended up having to buy other hardware to clear cables. I recently ordered Explorer bars to try and get more comfortable and relieve thumb pressure and pain. Time to install it all again.
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Yeah, this may be my problem. I'm using the Acerbis hand guards and I had to push and pull to get things lined up.
Not likely the bar mounting, more likely the left lower motor mount. Check the how-to thread on that.
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Old 12-03-2013, 12:22 AM   #19077
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I had the one with the roadie part number. They are still plenty wide.

Still fiddling with the exact bar position, with two degrees of freedom it takes a while to nail it.

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Thanks for the input! Do you use the Explorer roadie or XC bars? Are they even different? A quick look suggests the two have different BikeBandit part numbers but I can't be sure - Google results are vague. If anything, I expect the Explorer XC bars to be wider than the roadie's.

I'm going to get the Explorer bars first and maybe put the risers on later. For the record, I like the bend of the stock bars but I just found them too low to stand up for extended periods (I'm 6'2.5 and I have shorty T-rex arms). My dad finds the height OK-ish but he hates the stock bend and it's his bike, so he calls the shots!

I was really impressed with how smooth the bike felt rolling over washboard gravel, so all-day standing probably isn't necessary unless one is continuously going over something rougher or more technical. Maybe I'll get him those anti-vibe risers as a Christmas present and shame him into putting them on!

If vibrations are an issue at any point, I might look into Bueller's insight on engine mounts but this bike is so smooth compared to anything else I've ever ridden! If it ain't broke, don't go pokin' around with your engine mount bolts.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:36 PM   #19078
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Greetings. New guy here looking at buying a Tiger 800 XC. This would be my first time buying new from a dealer (unless I find a great deal on a used one, but thats doubtful), and first time owning a bike made after Ronald Reagan was president. This thread and others have been very helpful with making decisions on the purchase, farkles, off-road capabilities etc.

The big question is, is there a difference between 2013's and 2014's?

I'd like to try and beat them down on price by either getting a close-out 2013 or an end of the year inventory sale on a 2014.

The local dealer appears to have a couple in matte green but we all know phantom black is faster and that's what I want.

So I'm willing to travel a couple hundred miles, or order one, but ordering one probably screws my chance at getting an end of the year deal. And I could probably live with the matte green if the price is right.

Any tips on dealing with the dealer, leads on a phantom black model or anything in general is appreciated.

I'm in central TX, btw.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:47 PM   #19079
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The big question is, is there a difference between 2013's and 2014's?
In a word; no.

Welcome to the forum.

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Old 12-03-2013, 03:08 PM   #19080
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Greetings. New guy here looking at buying a Tiger 800 XC. This would be my first time buying new from a dealer (unless I find a great deal on a used one, but thats doubtful), and first time owning a bike made after Ronald Reagan was president. This thread and others have been very helpful with making decisions on the purchase, farkles, off-road capabilities etc.

The big question is, is there a difference between 2013's and 2014's?

I'd like to try and beat them down on price by either getting a close-out 2013 or an end of the year inventory sale on a 2014.

The local dealer appears to have a couple in matte green but we all know phantom black is faster and that's what I want.

So I'm willing to travel a couple hundred miles, or order one, but ordering one probably screws my chance at getting an end of the year deal. And I could probably live with the matte green if the price is right.

Any tips on dealing with the dealer, leads on a phantom black model or anything in general is appreciated.

I'm in central TX, btw.
Who's your dealer?

I want the green one, but my dealer only has white and black. We could probably arrange a dealer-to-dealer swap to liquidate their inventory.
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