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Old 01-25-2011, 10:54 AM   #3181
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That KLR 425 lb. wet weight is accurate for the '08 and newer KLR's. Pre '08 are maybe 15 to 20 lbs. lighter?

I'm hoping your 475 lbs. for the new Tiger 800XC is accurate also. I'm thinking you're pretty close ... but far as I know no owners have actually weighed the new bikes yet.

So, roughly, a 50 lbs. difference between the KLR and Tiger? That is significant off road.

But the Tiger trumps the KLR everywhere else. Stronger, stiffer chassis which will out handle a KLR both on an off road. Better forks/shock, better weight distribution/mass centralization ... and of course 40 more HP always helps!
Different at the ends of the spectrum. Pure street work, the Tiger should outshine the KLR, and for a bit of single track, the KLR should be way better...

I'm still interested in the 800XC, the two things that will decide it for me are what I can get for my 1050 and, more importantly, how the 800 rides.

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Old 01-25-2011, 12:36 PM   #3182
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Tiger 800 versus 800 XC

Hi All --

With the new Tigers out, I'm very curious to take a closer look.

I'm trying to identify the real differences between the 800 and 800XC.

Using the compare tools, here's what I see, with questions as I have them:


800: Instrumentation "TPMS ready"
XC: Not.

Is there actually a Tire Pressure Management System capability in the 800? Can't tell from here.


XC: Swingarm: Braced
800: Not.

Any idea what this means & looks like?


Forks:
XC: Adjustable preload, damping
800: Not?

Can this be right? Seems shocking. (No pun intended.)


Shock:
800: "hydraulically adjustable preload"
XC: "adjustable preload and rebound damping"

Does this mean that the 800 is NOT adjustable w/r/t rebound damping?
Does this mean the XC doesn't use a remote reservoir?


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Old 01-25-2011, 12:54 PM   #3183
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Hi All --

With the new Tigers out, I'm very curious to take a closer look.

I'm trying to identify the real differences between the 800 and 800XC.

Using the compare tools, here's what I see, with questions as I have them:


800: Instrumentation "TPMS ready"
XC: Not.

Is there actually a Tire Pressure Management System capability in the 800? Can't tell from here.


XC: Swingarm: Braced
800: Not.

Any idea what this means & looks like?


Forks:
XC: Adjustable preload, damping
800: Not?

Can this be right? Seems shocking. (No pun intended.)


Shock:
800: "hydraulically adjustable preload"
XC: "adjustable preload and rebound damping"

Does this mean that the 800 is NOT adjustable w/r/t rebound damping?
Does this mean the XC doesn't use a remote reservoir?


Thanks, all!
In spite of what the early adds say the XC does not have adjustable front suspension.
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:58 PM   #3184
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800: Instrumentation "TPMS ready"
XC: Not.

Is there actually a Tire Pressure Management System capability in the 800? Can't tell from here.
The TPMS is an accessory. Doesn't work on the XC because it uses tube-type tires, which aren't compatible with TPMS.

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XC: Swingarm: Braced
800: Not.

Any idea what this means & looks like?
They share the same swingarm, so this is probably just an oversight.

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Forks:
XC: Adjustable preload, damping
800: Not?

Can this be right? Seems shocking. (No pun intended.)
Both versions have nonadjustable forks. The XC has been repeatedly confirmed as NOT being adjustable, so the above is a mistake.

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Shock:
800: "hydraulically adjustable preload"
XC: "adjustable preload and rebound damping"

Does this mean that the 800 is NOT adjustable w/r/t rebound damping?
Does this mean the XC doesn't use a remote reservoir?
800 is preload-only adjustable. The XC does use a remote reservoir.

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Old 01-25-2011, 01:12 PM   #3185
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Hi All --

With the new Tigers out, I'm very curious to take a closer look.

I'm trying to identify the real differences between the 800 and 800XC.

Using the compare tools, here's what I see, with questions as I have them:


800: Instrumentation "TPMS ready"
XC: Not.

Is there actually a Tire Pressure Management System capability in the 800? Can't tell from here.


XC: Swingarm: Braced
800: Not.

Any idea what this means & looks like?


Forks:
XC: Adjustable preload, damping
800: Not?

Can this be right? Seems shocking. (No pun intended.)


Shock:
800: "hydraulically adjustable preload"
XC: "adjustable preload and rebound damping"

Does this mean that the 800 is NOT adjustable w/r/t rebound damping?
Does this mean the XC doesn't use a remote reservoir?


Thanks, all!
Wiseblood.

Have a test ride and see what you think. Personally I didn't find the ride deficient because of the lack of adjustment. In fact I found it a better ride than the 1050
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Old 01-25-2011, 01:35 PM   #3186
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Mcn review

Looks like MCN just did a comparison test Tiger 800 XC v BMW F80ogs


Available 1/26/11. Looking forward to this!

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Old 01-25-2011, 01:40 PM   #3187
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Do MCN put their full review stories up on line? Or just a teaser?
Maybe someone can scan this? Can't find it here in California. We do get most other Brit mags ... but no longer MCN, which they stopped bringing in about 10 years ago.
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Old 01-25-2011, 02:02 PM   #3188
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Maybe someone can scan this?

+1. A scan would be most appreciated.

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Old 01-25-2011, 02:22 PM   #3189
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How unbiased do you think MCN will be while taking into account their incestuous relationship with Triumph and this new 800 thus far?
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Old 01-25-2011, 02:26 PM   #3190
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How unbiased do you think MCN will be while taking into account their incestuous relationship with Triumph and this new 800 thus far?
Yeah, MCN always votes British. As do most British media outlets.
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Old 01-25-2011, 07:03 PM   #3191
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Yeah, MCN always votes British. As do most British media outlets.
You must be new.
I've read the Brit mags (including MCN, when it came to California) for over 20 years. For years a Triumph rarely won a Brit mag shoot out in any category ... mostly against Japanese bikes. For years the Brit press viciously tore apart every fault the Triumphs had. And rightly so for the most part. The Brit press, IMHO, were tougher on Triumph than the US press were ... and rarely gave Triumph a break. If they ever got good press then it was earned, not a gift. Anyone who's been awake a while will have read the comparos of the early Triumph 600 fours against the Japanese bikes. The press (US and Brit) slaughtered them. How about
the early Tigers Vs. GS BMW? Tore the Tigers apart. How about the big Monster Triple? Didn't like it either. The big Daytonas had a rough time and never came close to the Japanese liter bikes. Last place nearly every time.

Then, something funny happened.
Triumph started making really good bikes. I knew Triumph were finally there when their 675 Daytona won the big Master Bike shoot out in Spain ... Twice. Don Canet from Cycle World represented the US. The Daytona not only beat out bikes in the 600 class, it beat out EVERY bike, (about a dozen in all) including 999 Ducati's, MV's and Aprilias ... and the big four liter bikes from Japan. When it won it a 2nd time ... well, that pretty much summed it up.

I'm not a fan of MCN but I doubt they have any special "In" with Triumph. Triumph are one of the most closed and secretive companies out there. And John Bloor is so cheap ... he wouldn't spend a nickle to "buy" good press from MCN ... or anyone. Doesn't need to.
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Old 01-25-2011, 07:24 PM   #3192
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You must be new..

You must be blind. Did you not follow the relationship between MCN and Triumph as the 800 was being slowly leaked?
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:59 PM   #3193
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KLRs weight in at about 425lbs wet. That's a fair amount less than what Triumph claims for the 800xc (475lbs). I don't think the KLR handles it well, especially with a full tank, so hopefully the tiger will be better in that regard. If it is then the weight difference won't be important, at least to me .

I guess my "nearly identical" comment wasn't the most researched and accurate. That's pretty rare for me! I know 50 lbs is a fair amount, but I have really high hopes for this bike. And the KLR is an underpowered pig. This will be a heavy bike with some power! I do about 70% of my riding off road and this bike will be put through it's paces. Single track, skree fields, hill climbs, whoops out at one of my favorite OHV areas...you name it, this bike is gonna try it!!! I'll check back in April when we get em here in the US.
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Old 01-25-2011, 10:14 PM   #3194
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PS For the South African gent that supposedly picked his up already, pics or it didn't happen! [/QUOTE]

Picked it up last night, I really battle to post pics from my side for some reason, so if I can pm you some will you do the honours?
By the way, Pissing with rain, so I only managed to do 60 km without drowning
We are having one of the wettest summers in the last 60 years or something like that.
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Old 01-26-2011, 01:31 AM   #3195
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PS For the South African gent that supposedly picked his up already, pics or it didn't happen!
Here's the proof my mate collected is brand spanking new Tiger XC (lucky sh%$t). BTW the bike is awesome much, much, much better in real life - pictures and vids don't do it any justice. What I'm seriously impressed with (since my mate hasn't let me ride his bike yet) is the attention to detail on the finish of the bike. I believe Triumph have taken a HUGE leap in the right direction with this, there are loads of little details that amount to one solid picture. You guys are going to love it!

In fact I seriously considering trading my scrambler for an XC
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