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Old 03-21-2011, 03:16 PM   #4021
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I'll look it up. When are you coming?
Not sure, but PM me with some costings and we'll do the math
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Old 03-21-2011, 03:17 PM   #4022
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UK mag Superbike just did a comparo of 800GS, 800XC, and DL650. As expected they state the XC is a better road bike, the GS better off-road (but the XC could compete with some simple mods)...

Oh? What simple mods?



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Old 03-21-2011, 03:28 PM   #4023
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Just different gearing and higher bars, the said. Basically they said the GS advantages on dirt didn't make up for the XC's advantages on tarmac, assuming you'd use these bikes to travel to dirt riding, have fun, and then return home again.

For me, and it's a personal thing, I'd get the Tigger because I'm British and therefore there's a patriotic factor at work. Plus good off-roading is actually quite rare here. I'd be more likely to travel to France or Spain for long days off-road (and not too gnarly) so the Tiggers would probably suit this better.

But if you guys in the USA are next door to forest trails and open-sky gravel roads, then I guess the choice would be harder.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:22 PM   #4024
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sounds like the descrip of Weestrom

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From my limited test ride, I'd guess this will be a "dirt road or smoother" bike for me (at least at the get go), which is just what I want.
I'd love to be able to strap my camping stuff to it, go somewhere, do a bit of forest / desert road riding (no goat trails), then break camp after a couple of days and go home at highway speeds () in comfort.
I was impressed with the lack of wind blast, the screen seem to work really well. I didn't have my earplugs in, and I wasn't uncomfortable at all.
The tank is wider than my 1050, and the overall look of it, it looks to be a bit topheavy, although on my test ride I didn't feel it, it just looks it.

Of course, you know when you really feel a bike is topheavy is when you stop on a side hill and you lean the wrong way... when your foot reaches for the ground and just finds air

The thing feels stable and planted at any speed, I rode it very slowly a couple of times and found it to be very well balanced.

I found the seat height surprisingly tall, it's got a fair bit of suspension travel, I reckon maybe a better rider than me could go rocky / more technical places on it with a set of more aggressive tires. I'd rather err on the side of saying "no" than give you unrealistic expectations, I reckon it's ultimately up to you.

Sorry if I seem to be wishy washy on that question Dave.

Right out of the gate I leaned toward just "no", but the more I think about it I'd say "depends".
I suppose you could take one anywhere you could take a KLR, just gotta remember it's a big, heavy machine for off road motorcycling, and adjust your speed and technique accordingly.

The KLR rider in me says "an 11 grand machine off road? Are you on dope?", but I must admit I really thought hard about taking it up the ramp onto the sidewalk and over the grassy hill on the way back into the dealer's driveway just to air it out a bit, but my good manners ( and the pickup in the way) got the best of me.

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PS My wife said "You've told me how much you liked it three times already!!!" as I was taking her out to dinner tonight, I really do like it and I plan to score one, 99% for sure.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:26 PM   #4025
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sounds like the descrip of Weestrom
If it was 2004, yes.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:28 PM   #4026
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But if you guys in the USA are next door to forest trails and open-sky gravel roads, then I guess the choice would be harder.
Plus One on supporting Made in Britain. We could use similar support for US made goods ... but there are so few outside of a war zone!

The choice for the BMW F800GS is not really that hard. Follow the threads over on Parallel Universe and see how many "Problem" threads you find. It's really quite astounding! I've ridden the the F800GS and liked it fine ... but given what I know, I'd never own one.

The other problem is Superbike passing judgement on a Dual Sport bike. These wankers know fuck all about anything that goes off road ... and normally make jokes about such bikes ... in between all the cheap nudy pin up shots they publish.

I must admit Superbikes has improved over the last year .... and I do like the new editor and one or two writers. But they are far from having serious credibility regards Adventure bikes. How many of their staff have ridden RTW? Or even done Africa? Still, nice to see main stream "sporty lad" mags getting a bit real.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:41 PM   #4027
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The choice for the BMW F800GS is not really that hard. Follow the threads over on Parallel Universe and see how many "Problem" threads you find. It's really quite astounding! I've ridden the the F800GS and liked it fine ... but given what I know, I'd never own one. .

Of course you are known far and wide for your unbiased objectivity regarding BMW's

You are of course entirely free to have any view you like ... it just gets a bit repetitive!

One day I will tell you why I hate the Sony corporation if you like!
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:49 PM   #4028
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I must admit Superbikes has improved over the last year .... and I do like the new editor and one or two writers. But they are far from having serious credibility regards Adventure bikes. How many of their staff have ridden RTW? Or even done Africa? Still, nice to see main stream "sporty lad" mags getting a bit real.
Most of the mags can't ignore ADV bikes now, since they are a rare growth segment in biking as a whole. I mean, a 600 supersport costs amlost 10,000 these days, and works best on track. No-one who would desire one of these (young guys, mainly) can afford to insure one.

For the first time in years I see/hear young riders who aspire to ADV type bikes; they can insure them, they are robust, and they are (relatively) good on fuel. Triumph have also spotted this, as the Tiggers can be cut in half to 47bhp (the new Euro reg for riders under 24).
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:06 PM   #4029
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cut in half to 47bhp (the new Euro reg for riders under 24).

That sucks! Makes sense, but sucks none the less.
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:37 PM   #4030
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74 MPG? That's about double what I expected and great news!
ooops, slight typo... that should be per 100 kms
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:56 PM   #4031
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Of course you are known far and wide for your unbiased objectivity regarding BMW's

You are of course entirely free to have any view you like ... it just gets a bit repetitive!

One day I will tell you why I hate the Sony corporation if you like!
G'day Duckbreathe!
I believe BMW have worked hard to earn their current reputation. The fact they still sell the Kool-Aid is what surprises me! Bias? You could call it that ... I call it FACTS.

I'm not making this shit up! Go to Parallel Universe and read mate. Please ... don't take my word for it. Talk to the owners. (or talk to BMW dealers and mechanics!) Not to offend BMW riders ... not at all. They all have my deepest condolences. I always carry a tow rope ... and have used it a few times!
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Old 03-22-2011, 01:47 AM   #4032
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grift /ɡrɪft/ informal, chiefly US
▶verb engage in petty swindling. ▶noun a petty swindle.
derivatives
grifter noun.

I don't know what your screen name is trying to say but I do note the "petty" not really sure about the swindling part, but I guess if you are admitting to it ... well!

Anyway I am not going to ruin the thread by engaging in a pointless display of dick waving ... You don't like BMW's ... I get it already! I'm happy for you, but I think it's time we moved on.
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Old 03-22-2011, 05:25 AM   #4033
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I have to say I don't know much about BMWs, having never owned one. But I do know several people who have traded them for something else due to poor reliability. Problems such as fuel pump failures, ABS failures, driveshafts disintegrating and gearboxes dropping their oil.

Thinking about it, that only relates to four bikes, and I only know four people who had them
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Old 03-22-2011, 07:56 AM   #4034
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