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Old 04-09-2011, 06:01 AM   #4471
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Old 04-09-2011, 06:02 AM   #4472
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I am going with the swivel type risers also. I will simply roll them back and get as much as I can. Even back a little will help.
It appears that there is a little slack in the cables. The clutch cable can be rerouted to outside the triple tree. It may take some degree of fiddling but I think they can work although the full 2 inches up and back cannot be achieved.
This was the only thing that I found the GS800 to have an advantage for my particular seating position. Everyone is different.
We shall see.
Be sure to let us know how that works for you.
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Old 04-09-2011, 06:15 AM   #4473
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Have any of the U.S. rags reviewed the bike yet?
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Old 04-09-2011, 01:02 PM   #4474
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My Tiger 800 Test Ride

Just returned home from a test of the Tiger 800 road version. One of the dealer's stipulations is that the test ride has to be escorted. The escort rider was was on the new Ducati Diaval and let me just say, 20 years ago in my hooligan years that would have been my bike of choice. Now on to the ride. The ride started with a couple of miles of stop and go traffic, red
light to red light. Nothing much to report so far, just getting comfortable with the bike. We exited the main road onto the Blue Ridge Parkway. That exit hitting the first real curve put a smile on my face. The first mile or so on the parkway was free of traffic and was able to ride at a decent pace. At this point I was picking up a fair amount of wind noise, but no
helmet buffeting, I can live with that. Might try installing the windshield adjuster at some point, but don't think the large screen will be necessary for me. The Tiger handled the long sweeping curves beautifully. We caught up with some traffic and slowed down to well below the speed limit. This is when I first noticed a little heat coming off the engine. Not enough heat to be a distraction, but still noticable. Just for reference, outdoor tempereature was 85 degrees F. I was also feeling quite
cramped by this time with my leg position. I looked down and could tell by the gap between the front of the seat and lip of the tank that the seat was in the low position. I'm 6'-0" with a 34" inseam and the seat in this position was not working for me at all. I started looking for a spot to pull off the road so that I could raise the seat, but it was about this time we
got off the parkway and onto the intersate. There was a long exit ramp with a good bit of traffic. The escort opened up the Diaval a little bit to merge into traffic and I got the chance test the acceleration of the Tiger to try and keep up. I did say try, the Diaval does have an extra 80 HP on the Tiger afterall. Even though it was a short burst of speed, I was very
impressed with the acceleration of the Tiger and the smoothness of the gear box. Once up to interstate speeds, again more wind noise, but still no buffeting of the helmet. The seat was very comfortable, not as much room to move around on the seat (front to back) as I had hoped, but do not think this will be an issue. The reach to the grips was pretty much spot on for me. Don't see the need for bar risers or repositioning of the handlebars. Legs are still feeling a bit cramped and really wishing I had checked the seat postion before heading out. No feel of engine heat at highway speeds. We exit the interstate and back to stop and go traffic before pulling back into the dealer. My first question to the escort rider was if he could confirm that the seat is in the low postion and he says yes. I run in and ask the owner of the dealership if I can raise the
seat and take the bike back out again. He says, sure no problem. We get the seat raised in no time at all and I start gearing up again. At this point I look up and see some dark clouds rolling in. The weather forecast was for thunderstorms this afternoon. The escort rider is getting back on the Diavel and I say we don't have to do the full loop again, I just want to
get a feel for the seat in the higher position. This turned out to be a good thing. We take off down the main road again and I follow the escort rider as we turn off onto some backroads. Some very curvy backroads! Several of these curves had the yellow signs before them signaling curve ahead, 15 MPH. Did I mention these were very curvy backroads?! The Tiger was
absofreakinglutely amazing in this environment. I had a chance to play with gear selection running through the curves. You could leave the bike in 4th gear, brake heavily before the curves and roll out of them smoothly or kick it down to 1st entering the curve, still more braking as there is not the amount of engine braking I'm accustomed to and power out of the
apex. That triple engine, the first that I have ridden by the way, absolutely lets you be as aggressive or laid back as you want to be. This road was not as perfectly smooth as the parkway or interstate and I really thought the suspension did a great job of soaking up the bumps and the rail road crossing we went over. This did a lot to relieve the slight bit of apprehension I had about the limited suspension adjustably. Should not be an issue for me. For reference, I'm 175 pounds. The whole reason
for this second ride was so I could get a feel for the seat in the high position, but it turned out to be the high point of my ride today. The parkway was beautiful with all the trees and their bright green colors only spring can bring, but hitting the back roads and pushing the Tiger through the curves just a little is really what made my day. Oh, and back to the seat. Seat in the high position, problem solved. Made a huge difference. For longer trips, taking the rubber out of the foot pegs might be worth it for a little more room. So, to sum up the experience, I love this bike! As you have read in other reviews, the triple motor is what makes this bike, but along with the pretty decent windscreen, seating position, two up and luggage capability this bike fits all of my needs. Feel like I got to put the bike through most situations most of us would ride this bike. I got to hit stop and go traffic, long sweeping curves on the parkway, interstate and curvy backroads. I think this is the best all around bike I've ever ridden. Enough said! Can't wait to take delivery! Put my deposit down on a phantom black, ABS road version in early February. Hoping for delivery by the end of the month. I was anxious to get the bike before the test ride, but now will be dreaming about it every night until it is mine!
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Old 04-09-2011, 04:24 PM   #4475
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Old 04-09-2011, 04:47 PM   #4476
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I just took an extended test ride on an 800. Immediately following the test ride, I put down a deposit on an 800. Should be here later this month!

So I guess that means my 1050 is officially for sale.

This was my (unescorted) test loop. Unfortunately to zoom out enough to fit it all in, you lose some of the detail of how twisty these roads are.

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Old 04-09-2011, 06:58 PM   #4477
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My Test Ride

Stopped by the local Triumph dealer today to see if he had one in to look at. He did. A white 800, no ABS. Quite a good looking bike in every respect except for the strangely cheap looking reflectors on the front fork, but that's a nit. Guy at the dealership said "hey, want to test ride it?" I said "consider the bear, does it defecate in the forest?" . Made a copy of my license, gave me the keys, and off I went. Now, I'm currently riding a Buell Ulysses, so that's my reference. The bike felt light and tight, very well put together. I still prefer the headlights and such mounted to the fork instead of the frame, all my bikes are like that, but that's a minor point. My loop consisted of about ten miles of freeway five of twisties, and maybe a mile in town. (For those of you in Seattle, the dealer is I-90 motorsports in Issaqua. I hopped on 90 East, got off on high point road, up to the Fall City exit, and then back down 90 to Issaqua).

Initially, it didn't feel as visceral as the Uly, which means it has somewhat less torque at the lower end and didn't shake like a crack addict taking a cold shower. It took me a few minutes to understand that I didn't have to shift at 6500RPM.

Ok, the good then:
Fantastic engine sound, which we all know.
Flat power curve, all the way up to redline.
Smooth shifting, far better than the Buell.
Superb handling. Responds to countersteer input very well. High level of confidence on the curves, it felt really planted.
Great brakes.
I stood on the pegs, and the bars felt just right. I'm 6'0. On the Uly I have to crouch a bit.

The bad:
Hell if I can think of anything. A very well done motorcycle, and unless somebody else comes up with something better, very likely my next bike.

Spot on, Triumph.
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Old 04-09-2011, 09:34 PM   #4478
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So lets talk bar risers on the XC. I asked on the other forum a couple of months ago and seems nobody had actually done it yet, now that more folks are taking delivery has anyone looked seriously into how much more rise one can add with stock cables and lines? The tallest risers I see listed anywhere are only 20mm. an online vendor says they'd be glad to sell me the Rox risers but haven't been able to verify if I'll need to get custom cables etc.

Mines still sitting lonely in the showroom awaiting a demo bike so I can test ride again, I'd like to know what I can realistically do about bar height as this will be a factor in my decision.
If it is a "standing on the pegs" issue, it has standard bars (I think), shouldn't be a problem either new bend, bar risers, foot peg lowering brackets or e) all of the above...

Dave, sounds like you are trying to talk yourself out of it.
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Old 04-09-2011, 11:27 PM   #4479
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If it is a "standing on the pegs" issue, it has standard bars (I think), shouldn't be a problem either new bend, bar risers, foot peg lowering brackets or e) all of the above...

Dave, sounds like you are trying to talk yourself out of it.
Actually trying to talk myself into it I really want to want this bike.

On my first test ride, which didn't tell me enough about the bike, I did notice I would want taller bars. If somebody said they installed 2" risers no problem, then I wouldn't give it another thought.

Problem is that I'm using the 800GS as a benchmark, which worked wonderfully well for me in many ways, it just fit right, loved the motor and felt like I knew the bike in the first two minutes of riding it (kind of like a big enduro thumper). Had a very different experience with the XC, reminded me more of sportbikes I've owned, except upright. I'm keeping an open mind and I hope the next demo ride gives me a firm opinion either way. In the meantime if I can sort out some of these smaller issues now I'm ahead of the game, I've been known to have a pile of parts on my workbench waiting for a new bike before it arrives. I know new bike fever turns everyone into a cheerleader, I'm just trying to remain objective . Oh, I could give you the list of things I had to fix on the GS as well I don't expect any bike to be perfect for me out of the box, it's just a matter of how many and how easy are the fixes.
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Old 04-10-2011, 04:49 AM   #4480
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I rode it, that's why I said 'great motor'.

Compared to an F800GS, spindly is probably not the right word to use, 'flimsy' or 'Chinese' is probably more accurate.

Finish is very nice, choice and quality of materials says 'cheap', which on purchase price it aint!!!!

I also checked out the 690R, it doesn't have the 'great motor', but ticks all the boxes the T800XC doesn't for robustness and quality materials!!

I reckon the Tiger has more engine damage vulnerability than a SuperTen even, everything sticks out so far, not at all protected by the frame like an F800GS engine is.

Nice try Triumph, but no cigar as far as I am concerned.
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Old 04-10-2011, 07:55 AM   #4481
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I just took an extended test ride on an 800. Immediately following the test ride, I put down a deposit on an 800. Should be here later this month!

So I guess that means my 1050 is officially for sale.
Yep, know the feeling, never intended to sell my Tiger1050, it was all the Duc's fault.

What was the big difference in the two, I guess probably less weight and quicker handling?
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Old 04-10-2011, 08:36 AM   #4482
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Yep, know the feeling, never intended to sell my Tiger1050, it was all the Duc's fault.

What was the big difference in the two, I guess probably less weight and quicker handling?
This was the Tiger 800 I rode, not the XC.

Yeah I guess I should summarize my impressions of the bike. First, the high-pitched whistling noise from the engine that shows up in all the videos is just as prominent in real life, except you don't hear it much above 6000 rpm when the engine is in full song.

The bike feels quite a bit lighter than the 1050. With the seat in the low position, I can flat-foot it with both feet. With the seat in the high position I can tippy-toe it which is pretty much the same as the 1050 (with stock seat) for me.

The engine is fantastic. Very tractable at low rpm which made handling tight 15 mph hairpins covered in loose gravel much less of a hair-raising experience than on the 1050. I felt more confident on the 800 in those tight turns after riding it for 10 miles than I did on the 1050 after riding it for 20,000 miles. There's plenty of power and the engine is noticeably smoother than the 1050 at all rpms. It took a few minutes to get used to the throttle response but I think that was largely because there was a bit too much throttle freeplay on the demo bike.

The 800 seems very flickable, it turns it quickly and seems eager to perform well-controlled side-to-side transitions. It holds a line well in a turn and is confidence-inspiring, perhaps due mainly to the next point:

I was surprised to feel that the suspension on the 800 is very firm and sport-oriented. The 1050 has always been softly suspended so I was really surprised to see how stiff the 800 was by comparison. It worked well though. I took it on a really rough section of road and while it definitely had a harder ride, the suspension kept the bike planted very well. I'd be interested to see how the suspension is different on the XC.

I like the lack of side fairings and cockpit fairings - it gives the bike less visual bulk and will also be a boon come maintenance time - I get tired of dealing with all the plastic on the 1050 every time I need to do something to the bike.

I found the wind management to be excellent on the 800, I was able to get up to about 80 mph on the highway and didn't experience any buffeting like I sometimes get on the 1050.

The brakes are GREAT.

I also did a part of the test ride 2-up. The bike handled the weight of the pillion just fine, didn't seem to make much of a difference in the handling but it felt like I noticed it more when she moved around than I do on the 1050. Pillion didn't really have any complaints except that the passenger grab bars are in kind of a weird location.

I had planned to keep my 1050 Tiger forever because it's such a great bike. However, the 800 is much closer to my ideal bike. If it had been available when I bought my 1050, I would have bought the 800 instead.
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Old 04-10-2011, 09:00 AM   #4483
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This was the Tiger 800 I rode, not the XC.

Yeah I guess I should summarize my impressions of the bike.
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Thanks for that summary.

I was going to ask the same thing, but llama beat me to it. I've ridden the 1050 quite a bit, and I really like that bike (it was in the running before I settled on the Multi), so I was very curious to know what the 800 had over it. Now I know!

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Old 04-10-2011, 09:07 AM   #4484
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Actually trying to talk myself into it I really want to want this bike.

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Problem is that I'm using the 800GS as a benchmark, which worked wonderfully well for me in many ways, it just fit right, loved the motor and felt like I knew the bike in the first two minutes of riding it (kind of like a big enduro thumper). ......
So....I have to ask, what is it about the GS that is making you want to "jump ship" and go with the lil' Tigger? I've always had the 800GS on my "other" list (you know, the one that's titled "If I Win The Lottery" ) of bikes that I'd like to own some day so I'd love to hear your comparison of the two.

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BTW the dealer I rode at, Rockwell Cycles in Fort Montgomery, NY, was very accomodating with the demo. They have a single white 800 without ABS as a demo ride. A lot of people seemed to be demo'ing the Ducati Diavel but I was the only one looking to ride the Tiger 800 so I got right in. Dealt with Maryanne. It was basically a "here's the keys, have fun" type of demo and of course they have the best demo routes around, being right there by Bear Mountain. So I was able to take a solo demo, then come back and pick up my pillion for a 2-up demo ride. Had the bike out for a good while (wouldn't have kept it out so long if there were other people waiting to ride).

Maryanne mentioned that they are slated to receive a few white 800 ABS models so if that's what you want, they are available (except now there is one less because I changed one of those to pre-sold). She said that the situation for XC's is trickier, she doesn't know when they are getting any and she can't even order them at the moment. Also hazier is the supply of black or yellow 800s. Lucky for me I wanted white.
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