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Old 06-01-2011, 05:30 AM   #6121
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If a ranger wants to be a dick about a sparky, then tell him your Tiger has a cat. The cat would extinguish any spark or flame way before it gets to the muffler.
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Old 06-01-2011, 06:28 AM   #6122
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Sounds like they're trying to work their way through all possible causes before writing off the engine, which makes sense. Just browsing through the service manual it's interesting to note that the oil pump and water pump are one unit and according to the manual cannot be separated, hence why the sump has to come apart to take the water pump out.

Inexcusable for them not to be calling you back with updates though.

Hopefully you will be able to get it lemon-lawed.

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Since then they tried a new radiator, didn't work, still overheated. The next plan of attack was to pull the water pump which I guess involves pulling the exhaust and bottom sump and I don't know what all. I don't have a service manual. I haven't talked to the service manager since Saturday May 21st when the radiator swap didn't work. I've called Triumph customer service in Georgia 3 times last week and everytime was promised a return call by Pete, head of customer service apparently. He has not once called or tried to call. I want a new bike. I don't want a bike that's been torn apart by some 20 something kid training on my Tiger 800. Just a few more days in the shop and it will be classified a lemon under Ohio law which would be a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:45 AM   #6123
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If a ranger wants to be a dick about a sparky, then tell him your Tiger has a cat. The cat would extinguish any spark or flame way before it gets to the muffler.
That's a good call Rob. No sparks will be getting past the CAT converter.
The only problem with a CAT is how bloody HOT they get. We've all seen CAT's on cars set brush on fire if the car is parked on top of it.

The Tiger has a nice guard around the CAT but if dry brush contacts it ... could ignite I suppose.
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Old 06-01-2011, 09:49 AM   #6124
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That's a good call Rob. No sparks will be getting past the CAT converter.
The only problem with a CAT is how bloody HOT they get. We've all seen CAT's on cars set brush on fire if the car is parked on top of it.

The Tiger has a nice guard around the CAT but if dry brush contacts it ... could ignite I suppose.
The Triumph upgraded aluminum Skid works well at covering the Cat & wouldn't want to risk going offroad without it. Without proper protection why risk a stone punching a hole in your engine case...
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:05 AM   #6125
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On a separate note the bike has developed a slight clunk under hard braking. This can be felt through the bars but not the brake lever (not abs kicking in). Does anyone have an fsm yet that cares to comment on the headstock adjustment procedure?
You know, I've noticed this as well (only 500mi on mine) but haven't taken any time to diagnose. Hasn't seemed dire at this point. On mine, it's very light, almost a 'click' more than a 'clunk', but as you said, can feel it in the bars not the lever. Since I don't have my centerstand yet, I haven't been motivated to get it perched up on something to check the head bearings. I've also felt similar things on other bikes from sticky fork seals, springs moving around inside the fork, and calipers shifting when applying the brakes.

All if someone knows specifically what's causing it on the Tigers.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:54 AM   #6126
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for real? No spark arrester?
Page 10 of the owners manual.

Considering the fire trouble we have had in my area over the last few years, I wont be venturing into the desert without following the letter of the law with regards to spark arresters.

I have the Triumph aluminium bashplate on backorder which sounds like it will help shield the heat from the cat, but I will be looking at bolting on a USFS approved screen. Anyone know of one?
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:56 AM   #6127
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If you do not remove the original muffler, you are legal. Here is the real skinney:http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=693270
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:58 AM   #6128
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That seems to be a pretty good comparison. At least as it pertains to the F800, it is pretty accurate, except for 2 comments. I find the trans to be very smooth, but maybe their example has been abused or does not have the proper clutch adjustment.
I don't think their issue with lack of low speed control is too much torque, but the light switch throttle control at slow speeds. Luckily there is an aftermarket fix, but you should not need one IMO.
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:19 PM   #6129
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That seems to be a pretty good comparison. At least as it pertains to the F800, it is pretty accurate, except for 2 comments. I find the trans to be very smooth, but maybe their example has been abused or does not have the proper clutch adjustment.
I don't think their issue with lack of low speed control is too much torque, but the light switch throttle control at slow speeds. Luckily there is an aftermarket fix, but you should not need one IMO.
But they also liked the engagement of the BMW clutch better. Plus one for BMW there. Also, they said the BMW wheel spin issue would be much less an issue with proper off road tires.

Seems the biggest down side for the BMW is the front forks. I kind of liked the softly sprung F800GS front when I rode the bike. But I was going slow, over rocky terrain. Bike did pretty well, IMHO.
At speed, maybe not so much. On paved roads it did dive ... but I'm used to that. I just use more rear brake. I rocked on the BMW on our nasty roads. Loved it. But I loved the Tiger too!!

But the lack of front feedback and steering confidence on the F800, is IMO, serious criticism ... and both reviewers brought it up. An unsure front end means ... crashes!!

The other surprise for me was that they were adamant about how light the Tiger 800 felt even though it's apparently a heavier bike. This is good news. Most success and happiness riding off road is in your head. With confidence, good feedback and control, you will be happy.
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:32 PM   #6130
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But they also liked the engagement of the BMW clutch better. Plus one for BMW there. Also, they said the BMW wheel spin issue would be much less an issue with proper off road tires.

Seems the biggest down side for the BMW is the front forks. I kind of liked the softly sprung F800GS front when I rode the bike. But I was going slow, over rocky terrain. Bike did pretty well, IMHO.
At speed, maybe not so much. On paved roads it did dive ... but I'm used to that. I just use more rear brake. I rocked on the BMW on our nasty roads. Loved it. But I loved the Tiger too!!

But the lack of front feedback and steering confidence on the F800, is IMO, serious criticism ... and both reviewers brought it up. An unsure front end means ... crashes!!

The other surprise for me was that they were adamant about how light the Tiger 800 felt even though it's apparently a heavier bike. This is good news. Most success and happiness riding off road is in your head. With confidence, good feedback and control, you will be happy.
I don't have time to go into detail at the moment, but I test rode an 800XC and a Super Tenere yesterday.

The point I will bring up is front forks ... we all know that the F800GS has too soft forks as standard, can be improved with progressive hyperpro springs, and so on. One point I will make about the Tiger is that it has almost the opposite problem as the GS. I found the XC front end was very uncomfortable on the crappy tar roads around here. It felt too stiff and then sort of hydrolocked. On the gravel it was alright. I think that Hyperpro will make some progressive springs with a softer initial rate and suggest lighter weight oil when they get around to the XC. By contrast the Super Tenere was very comfortable on the same roads.

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I don't have time to go into detail at the moment, but I test rode an 800XC and a Super Tenere yesterday.

The point I will bring up is front forks ... we all know that the F800GS has too soft forks as standard, can be improved with progressive hyperpro springs, and so on. One point I will make about the Tiger is that it has almost the opposite problem as the GS. I found the XC front end was very uncomfortable on the crappy tar roads around here. It felt too stiff and then sort of hydrolocked. On the gravel it was alright. I think that Hyperpro will make some progressive springs with a softer initial rate and suggest lighter weight oil when they get around to the XC. By contrast the Super Tenere was very comfortable on the same roads.

More later!
These reviews make me wonder... BMW is on its fourth production year of the F800GS and is likely due for some changes, hopefully more than a facelift. Will these changes happen via the Husqvarna brand with the 900cc parallel twin rotax motor due this fall? Or will BMW also change their own F800GS?

Meanwhile, the T800XC is a great bike and I can't wait for mine to arrive.

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But they also liked the engagement of the BMW clutch better. Plus one for BMW there. Also, they said the BMW wheel spin issue would be much less an issue with proper off road tires.

Seems the biggest down side for the BMW is the front forks. I kind of liked the softly sprung F800GS front when I rode the bike. But I was going slow, over rocky terrain. Bike did pretty well, IMHO.
At speed, maybe not so much. On paved roads it did dive ... but I'm used to that. I just use more rear brake. I rocked on the BMW on our nasty roads. Loved it. But I loved the Tiger too!!

But the lack of front feedback and steering confidence on the F800, is IMO, serious criticism ... and both reviewers brought it up. An unsure front end means ... crashes!!

The other surprise for me was that they were adamant about how light the Tiger 800 felt even though it's apparently a heavier bike. This is good news. Most success and happiness riding off road is in your head. With confidence, good feedback and control, you will be happy.
I don't agree with the lack of feed back comment either, but I switched springs so long ago maybe I just do not remember how they used to be.

BMW has made a lot of changes to the bike for a number of reasons. Unless you are Joel Wiseman we aren't even aware of them or know why they were made. A pet peeve of mine and leaves me wondering why?

Back to soft forks, they feel different enough to me that I have commented on how different the new ones feel. Something I will never know because of their sealed cartridges.
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Old 06-01-2011, 04:03 PM   #6133
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The head of BMW is quoted in the UK bike press as saying that Triumph should be "ashamed" of copying the 800gs.

Odd comment, since the S1000RR is modelled on the GSX-R1000 K5.

I'm not BMW bashing btw, as I like S1000. Just seems an odd thing for the guy to say.
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Old 06-01-2011, 04:21 PM   #6134
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You know, I've noticed this as well (only 500mi on mine) but haven't taken any time to diagnose. Hasn't seemed dire at this point. On mine, it's very light, almost a 'click' more than a 'clunk', but as you said, can feel it in the bars not the lever. Since I don't have my centerstand yet, I haven't been motivated to get it perched up on something to check the head bearings. I've also felt similar things on other bikes from sticky fork seals, springs moving around inside the fork, and calipers shifting when applying the brakes.

All if someone knows specifically what's causing it on the Tigers.
Looked at mine a bit more after work since I was thinking about it. I think what I might be feeling is a little bit of play in the front discs between the disc and the carrier at the buttons. When you first apply the brakes, you can feel the disc "set" against the buttons. I had a tube frame Buell that developed quite a bit of slop in those buttons over time and I remember assuming for the longest time it was steering bearings but could never feel any play with bike on a stand. Finally figured out it was the buttons. Actually think there might have been a recall because of it at some point... among others
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Old 06-01-2011, 04:38 PM   #6135
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"Ashamed" ?! Really ? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Hell, the Germans complained about Russia & the Ural in 1943... It'll blow over.
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