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Old 07-09-2011, 05:59 AM   #7066
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A must Fork Seal Protectors

Doing a trip like this protecting your seals is so important. Doing
any off road in my opinion your bike can use seal protectors and these are working our great. All you have to do is rinse them once in awhile and put them back on!

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Old 07-09-2011, 06:26 AM   #7067
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It is becoming apparent that my 2010 Ducati Multistrada is not quite the bike for me (for various reasons I won't elaborate on now...). If the 800 XC had been available when I purchased the Multi I might well have gone that way.

Anyway...local dealer has a white XC in stock (my preferred color); I put about 50 miles on their demo XC yesterday, and was generally quite impressed. But there are a few issues that concern me:

1. The triple is awfully smooth, and has more than adequate power, but it seemed---to me---like it didn't have a whole lot of character, if you know what I mean. Of course it pales next to the 150 HP Ducati 1198, but I don't mean that. Probably I would rapidly get used to its wonderful linear behavior and smoothness.

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I've tested both of these bikes. And I own one of them. I understand the character issue. When I tested the Ducati, well, it was a visceral experience. The motor has that happy range where it delivers its magic. In a relaxed mode riding, you enter a curve in the middle of that magic range, you engine brake it to the apex and from there it effortlessly and with great sound and the right vibration accelerate you out of the corner. Rinse and repeat and it is a great experience. When passing a car, that motor catapults you past it. I liked it a lot. I like motors with a clear range where everything happens and you know exactly where it is by the sound and the experience it brings you.

However, when I tested that bike, I got to 125mph in a blink of an eye. Scary. I though about my driver's license and what else could I lose. Also, the bike did not do the simple things, such as cruising or riding about town, or just riding in slow speeds when that is needed, well enough for the price of it, and considering it should operate in four modes. It did not in my opinion. The engine was really loopy in slow speeds. I hear some fuel mapping may have helped it on the 2011's.

The other thing about the Ducati is that it looks a bit too "urban" to me. I'm more into bikes that are rough on the edges...

Anyway, I may one day consider a Ducati MTS. It is one great bike.
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Old 07-09-2011, 08:16 AM   #7068
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Doing a trip like this protecting your seals is so important. Doing
any off road in my opinion your bike can use seal protectors and these are working our great. All you have to do is rinse them once in awhile and put them back on!

Hey, did you guys ever figure out what the grinding sound was on your bikes?
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Old 07-09-2011, 08:38 AM   #7069
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Doc - The stock sidecases DO leave much to be desired. Adequate, but by no means stellar. Happy Trails - Motech & other rack systems are now available. TraX, Holans, Jessies and other side cases are also now on market that should fit 800. Since you and I are both 'lightweights' - the little Tiger is a very capable long distance tourer for us. I kept my 'Girlie' tiger, but after 3k mi I realized, I really dont need another machine. The XC is a "do all" beast for our kind. Power wise it's no Duc' - but entirely adequate for how I use it & plenty to get around the 18 wheelers. (Like the Uly,I got a fast black 800) I would strongly recommend the lower gel seat & adding 20mm risers. We'll never flat foot 'em but I can get the first 4" of my boots down & risers make the ergo's much more comfy. (the stock handlebar position is odd & tireing for long distances - need to play with that a bit to find the sweet spot) Otherwise the XC fits the 'dualsport' nature of tarmac comfortable & dirt road capable, quite well. I dumped the "deathwings" & replaced with K60's - done about 500 mi of dirt - good compromise tire & suits the bike / conditions, for most the roads I travel. So...question is: how will these things be 50,000 mi down the road. If previous editions of tigers are any indication, I expect the 800 will be splendid for the 'long haul'. Toodles, j
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:54 AM   #7070
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Hey, did you guys ever figure out what the grinding sound was on your bikes?

I think this is the answer to your question...

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In my post from Dawson City I mentioned a guy by the name of Pierre Luke having a look at our bikes. He noticed both rear tires and the axles not aligned with the frame. It was obvious when looking really closely at the tires that they were turning a little inwards to the right when looking from the rear. He loosened up the axle bolt, readjusted the chains which were not too bad, straightened out both axles and tightened everything back up.

Yesterday we both heard no rubbing, no noise, no vibrations. So, it appears the mystery is solved and it was an alignment issue. Not blaming anyone but I wonder ow this happened? Maybe we ride the same and loosened up on our travels?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...7#post16352757
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:58 AM   #7071
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Also, the bike did not do the simple things, such as cruising or riding about town, or just riding in slow speeds when that is needed, well enough for the price of it, and considering it should operate in four modes. It did not in my opinion. The engine was really loopy in slow speeds. I hear some fuel mapping may have helped it on the 2011's.
Not to jack this thread, but did you ride around town in Urban mode? I've put a bit over 4000 miles on my MTS12 since Feb and it will puttputt around town at 25mph in 1st or 2nd gear all day long. It's one of the things I love about it. Approach the freeway ramp, switch to Touring or Sport, and enter the fray at warp speed.

Of course, one of the things I found endearing on the lil' Tigger was it could puttputt around town in nearly ANY gear! In fact in first gear, you don't even need to use the throttle....it will just idle you through town. That same heavy flywheel effect means a longer spin-up (i.e. slower rev'ing), but once above 5-6k RPM, she'll still get up and go pretty well. Very impressive!

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Old 07-09-2011, 11:30 AM   #7072
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Old 07-09-2011, 12:01 PM   #7073
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Well howdy there, John! I appreciate all your comments; I'm still in a quandary as to what to do. Whenever I get another bike it takes quite a while to get all the ancillary stuff (special tools, more knowledge, etc.). I'm finding as I get older I am more and more resistant to change.

But some things need to change. I've really enjoyed my 16,000 miles on the two Multistrada 1200s, but it's been a little hard on my poor ol' body. Not to mention the bike(s)...

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Doc - The stock sidecases DO leave much to be desired. Adequate, but by no means stellar. Happy Trails - Motech & other rack systems are now available. TraX, Holans, Jessies and other side cases are also now on market that should fit 800. Since you and I are both 'lightweights' - the little Tiger is a very capable long distance tourer for us. I kept my 'Girlie' tiger, but after 3k mi I realized, I really dont need another machine. The XC is a "do all" beast for our kind. Power wise it's no Duc' - but entirely adequate for how I use it & plenty to get around the 18 wheelers. (Like the Uly,I got a fast black 800) I would strongly recommend the lower gel seat & adding 20mm risers. We'll never flat foot 'em but I can get the first 4" of my boots down & risers make the ergo's much more comfy. (the stock handlebar position is odd & tireing for long distances - need to play with that a bit to find the sweet spot) Otherwise the XC fits the 'dualsport' nature of tarmac comfortable & dirt road capable, quite well. I dumped the "deathwings" & replaced with K60's - done about 500 mi of dirt - good compromise tire & suits the bike / conditions, for most the roads I travel. So...question is: how will these things be 50,000 mi down the road. If previous editions of tigers are any indication, I expect the 800 will be splendid for the 'long haul'. Toodles, j
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Old 07-09-2011, 02:34 PM   #7074
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cool design with the velcro split.
no need to remove the forks to put on and since they come off easily it's easy to clean under them once a month. the ziptie hold loops are an nice touch.
http://www.kriega.us/products/Fork-S...28pair%29.html

they say for usd only but i see no reason why they would not work on traditional forks like neoprene shorties do. a ziptie would secure it in place.

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Old 07-09-2011, 04:35 PM   #7075
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Hey Doc - I know you've experienced some road condition 'challenges' lately (from the %#!& deer - Hoar frost - sand) but really glad you're still riding. You are one of THE most resiliant / toughest 2 wheelers I know. You always bounce back - and since we're both social security eligable, thats pretty darn noteworthy! I understand your reluctance to get yet another infernal machine. I went thru 7 bikes in last 8 years. Just as I got familiar with its service manual / quirks - I'd sell it. But in part (in my defense) it was evolutionary - plunking around for the right beast to suit my emerging riding style / interests. The Uly was very close to perfect - and really liked the unique subset of the 'hooligan' population that owned em'. But after I rode the 800GS & Tiger800, I realized I wanted something more dirt capable - since I've gravitated to a more offpavement orientation. Not much interest in single track, but do like the thousands of miles of BLM / USFS roads, and...they often offer the bonus of wonderful scenery, fewer people & fishing / camping at the other end. The Tiger works for me - a pretty well sorted machine & feels much lighter than it's almost 500#. It's compliant on dirt & very comfortable on the pavement. If it had a belt, it would be perfect! (But a chain IS pretty fool proof) Anyway - I'm sure you'll settle on the best course of action / decision as you query your innerself. I suspect the Tigers might my last 2 wheelers - may end up with a Ural eventually, to continue the adventures into my 70's. (plus could pack the sidecar with all sorts of coolers & creature comforts for camping - hell - the whole thing could be one big ice bucket!) Stay in touch pal, j
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Old 07-09-2011, 04:39 PM   #7076
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I think this is the answer to your question...


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Thanks..

If you can see that the wheel is out of alignment, that's quite a ways out!
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Old 07-09-2011, 05:23 PM   #7077
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Anybody have any idea what the hell this is? I was changing my oil and adding the bash plate (finally) and this fell on the floor. There's a chance it isn't from the bike and I didn't see anything obviously missing. It's a thumb screw with a 3MM hex in the head. Thoughts?

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Old 07-09-2011, 05:33 PM   #7078
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Idle adjust screw? Probably dropped at the factory. I've discovered similar things on two other brand new bikes. Vstrom had a "spare" tank bolt wedged down under coolant tank, VFR800 had random bolt that fell out of fairing. Not from the bike. Probably dropped by a tiny, white gloved Japanese beauty as she rushed to keep up with the line. You just can't believe how fast they work until you've seen it in person. Like magicians.
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Old 07-09-2011, 05:36 PM   #7079
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It picked a hell of a time to finally fall out if that's the case. Over 2k miles. A lot on dirt!
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Old 07-09-2011, 05:41 PM   #7080
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Anybody have any idea what the hell this is? I was changing my oil and adding the bash plate (finally) and this fell on the floor. There's a chance it isn't from the bike and I didn't see anything obviously missing. It's a thumb screw with a 3MM hex in the head. Thoughts?

Kind of looks like the bleed screw that's in the upper radiator hose on some of the early models.
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