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Old 07-11-2011, 11:23 AM   #7156
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Did you roll the bars forward? It moves them up a lot, but it also puts them slightly further away. I'm happy with the 20mm risers.
What I actually need is to raise and also bring them back towards me a little - I will get some Rox risers to do that.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:01 PM   #7157
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On corrugations such as in minutes 0:39 and 2:05 and 2:35 and 3:06 you can hear how it makes a lot of noise, coming from the front and the back of the bike. Not much traction on acceleration either (most bikes won't have any traction at all either). I need to check the adjustments for the rear shock.
Good video.
Having had a close look at the chain to swing arm clearance, there isn't much. So I'm fairly convinced all this clattering is the chain slapping on the swing arm protectors. I wonder if there's someone out there that can rig up a video camera pointing at that area?
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:35 PM   #7158
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Airing down tires on a bike this heavy can mean bent rims. And it is such a hassle. I'm mostly a dirt rider and I've ridden bikes with all sorts of tire wear, I know thread makes a difference. But not as much as people tend to believe. Thanks for your comments.

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airing down on this bike means you have more control on offroad situations. i would much rather have control than worry about a bent rim. i can ride home with a bent rim. a broken arm may be a little tricky! you dont air down to 12 or 13 like a Dirt Bike, the manual recommends 22psi i think...
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:42 PM   #7159
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airing down on this bike means you have more control on offroad situations. i would much rather have control than worry about a bent rim. i can ride home with a bent rim. a broken arm may be a little tricky! you dont air down to 12 or 13 like a Dirt Bike, the manual recommends 22psi i think...
Do you think at that pressure rim locks are required ? Anybody planning on adding rim locks
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Old 07-11-2011, 01:19 PM   #7160
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Do you think at that pressure rim locks are required ? Anybody planning on adding rim locks
No. As I understand it the tyres are a very tight fit on the rims. Almost like a tubeless fit. So I don't think rim locks are needed. Also, if they were needed, Triumph would recommend them with the Karoos that are the option tyre. That could also be why the pressure they recommend is 22psi not a dirt bike 12psi.
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Old 07-11-2011, 02:38 PM   #7161
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airing down on this bike means you have more control on offroad situations. i would much rather have control than worry about a bent rim. i can ride home with a bent rim. a broken arm may be a little tricky! you dont air down to 12 or 13 like a Dirt Bike, the manual recommends 22psi i think...
I 100% agree with this approach. It remains to be seen how tough the Tiger rims will be. Generally speaking, Excel rims of the spec used on the Tiger are pretty strong, can take a good hit. I'd guess running 20 to 22 PSI will not put them at much risk unless you are riding at race pace in nasty rocks.

But as Lion says; low pressures can result in a dented rim. But for me control is everything ... and is literally a life saver. Having owned two Vstroms and ridden several GS's off road, I know the substantial improvement in feel and control that is gained from running lower pressures in front and rear tires.

Yes .... it's a bit of a hassle. But if you don't go too low for off road, then once back on pavement the bike will mostly still work OK

I've gone with lower pressures on street tires (like the Battle Wings) and braking ability and corner confidence was greatly improved. Even better with tires like TKC80's, D606 or T-63's.

Baja is famous for ruining rims ... and I've dented a few there. But I run lower than average pressures on dirt bikes. In Baja ... or other rocky, fast terrain, you do need to increase pressure a bit. But most important, you need to slow down, pay attention and watch for embedded baby heads and square edged holes.

I have no doubt by the end of Summer we should know more about the durability of the Tiger's rims.

A plug in elec. mini compressor makes airing up less a pain ... but pretty slow. Once you've seen a good trials rider do their routine ... you'll understand the value of low pressure tires (Trials riders run about 8 psi). Same principles apply to bigger bikes.
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Old 07-11-2011, 02:46 PM   #7162
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(Trials riders run about 8 psi).
I never run that high of air pressure in sections!
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:46 PM   #7163
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OK, there is no avoiding reality: I'm a lazy bastard, I confess. I get going and I don't want to stop to air down tires, do it right making sure they are not too low, just the right air pressure.

On this small ride I was never out of control, but I was riding it at slower speeds than when I ride smaller bikes (I took it to a known road, where my WRR does the road in less than 5 minutes, the Dakar does it in 5 minutes flat, the Tiger did it in almost 7). Which is fine and makes sense considering this is a heavy bike. And if I would ever air the tires down, I would also slow down with the fear of hitting a rock round a bend or hitting a rock I can't avoid for one or another reason. Because hitting a rock on the wrong angle and chances are a tube is pinched or the rim is dented.

Therefore, slow I go. This bike is still fun at slow speeds, because you can better hear its nice engine note. At speeds the wind noise takes over...
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Old 07-11-2011, 06:23 PM   #7164
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A plug in elec. mini compressor makes airing up less a pain ... but pretty slow. Once you've seen a good trials rider do their routine ... you'll understand the value of low pressure tires (Trials riders run about 8 psi). Same principles apply to bigger bikes.
I've had really good luck with the $10 slime compressor from Wal mart. I put a battery tender harness on the battery of the bike. Then I cut the cigarette lighter plug off the slime cord and splice on the mating end of the battery tender plug to the slime cord. As simple as plug it in and it does the trick. No seat removal, cigarette/12V receptacle, or battery access required. It has enough juice to pop the bead after a flat as well.

I had to do a tire change and the battlewings fit the rim really really tight. I'm not considering rim locks and I'll run 21 to 22 psi almost all the time. There is small lip on the iside of the bead that makes breaking it difficult. Much more so than my KLR. I made it all of 1200 miles before I had to fix a puncture trail side. Make sure you have good irons and patience!!
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Old 07-11-2011, 08:51 PM   #7165
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There would be no need to load a new map at the first service unless the current map in the ECU is outdated/obsolete. Even so, by most/all accounts, the new map is better and corrected some stalling issues that some people were having early on.
I took my bike in today for the first service. It had a minor rough idling issue but nothing major. They loaded the new map and right away it would stall ...to the point that it can't be ridden. Very frustrating...I showed up ready to ride it away and they said...yeh..it won't run...but we will contact Triumph tomorrow to see if they know of a way to fix it. The service guy said that this is the fourth XC he's seen with the same issue.
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:02 PM   #7166
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I took my bike in today for the first service. It had a minor rough idling issue but nothing major. They loaded the new map and right away it would stall ...to the point that it can't be ridden. Very frustrating...I showed up ready to ride it away and they said...yeh..it won't run...but we will contact Triumph tomorrow to see if they know of a way to fix it. The service guy said that this is the fourth XC he's seen with the same issue.
Please keep us posted.
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:02 PM   #7167
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Well that sucks.

Why not just have them reload the previous tune?
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:19 PM   #7168
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So I had a few hours to blow on Sunday so I thought I would do a little test ride to get familiar with the Tiger. I did a mix of terrain starting off with Tarmac.....No issues there. Next up was low/no maintenance roads basically dirt and rocks. Here is the question, first not a big deal but I know the centerstand slaps around off road, I can deal with that, but there was a steep section of rocks and mixed terrain as I went down the hill I pulled in the clutch and the bike would stall. It seems whenever I crack the throttle or feather the clutch it quits, just on this down hill. There seems to be a dead spot, right before the throttle engages. I mean right before. With the throttle so reponsive I did not want to keep giving it gas on the techinal section. Have anyone experience this? It seems like it idles low. It may be sometime I am not use it coming from a DRZ. Next was pure gravel roads, at first I was going slow and felt unstable, but like the the DRZ in sand a little speed and sliding back in the saddle and the ride was great. I kept it around 45 -50 mph all day no problems. My main objective was to empty the gas tank so a can install my fog lights and heated grips. Mission accomplished...Came home with no gas and had a great ride. Also was able to do the install on the lights and the grips. Ready to get out a ride some more.
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:26 PM   #7169
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I smell ECU recall ... perhaps? Seems to be quite a few Tigers exhibit this "stalling after 600 mile service/new tune". Maybe a bad batch of electronics from Keihin?
Would be rare ... but possible I guess, considering the numbers involved. Must be half a dozen or so here on this thread ... probably more out in the world. Let's see how Triumph handle this. Good luck sorting this guys!
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:32 PM   #7170
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OK, there is no avoiding reality: I'm a lazy bastard, I confess. I get going and I don't want to stop to air down tires, do it right making sure they are not too low, just the right air pressure.

Psst....Lion BR.... We do the same thing on our bikes! The tire pressure is what it is. Sucks when you get into sandy conditions with the stock Battlewings, but it builds character, right?

Besides, sometimes sections of gravel or dirt are only a mile or three long. No point in airing down for a short section, so why bother with a longer section?! We even keep Slime compressors on the bikes, but can't be bothered to take the extra time to air down and then back up.
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