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Old 07-15-2011, 08:50 AM   #7231
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I agree that the stock Triumph side cases are pretty wide - but have never noticed any 'instability' at upper hiway speeds (75-80) as a result. I don't ride anywhere that lane splitting is legal anyway. So non issue for most of us in the western US, unless of course you live in urban Ca.
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Old 07-15-2011, 09:36 AM   #7232
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22 accounts of the problem out of thousands of bikes that have shipped worldwide?

Again, these issues seem disproportionately large because most people who are experiencing problems will talk about them, whereas most people who aren't don't have anything to say. Judging by the forums, for example, nearly all Bonnevilles should have broken spokes on the rear wheel, but I've never broken any spokes on mine, and my dealer has never seen any, and no one I know who owns a Bonnie has ever broken a spoke. No matter how "common" these issues may sound, they actually account for only a very small percentage of the bikes out there.

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It is really sad when people try to dismiss issues. It doesn't help the cause of the people who have the issues. I did not finish the count yet... I'm now on page 11 of 17 on that ONE thread (there are three different threads on this issue on that ONE forum). The number is now at 32 different bikes.

When you measure quality control issues on a $12K product, this is a large margin of error for one single item. The reality is that there is a problem, and hopefully a solution will happen soon.

You should be glad your bike is not one of the 32 (that have been reported and that I have counted so far). But I'm sure if your bike were in this mix, you would think differently about this issue.

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Old 07-15-2011, 09:46 AM   #7233
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It is really sad when people try to dismiss issues. It doesn't help the cause of the people who have the issues. I did not finish the count yet... I'm now on page 11 of 17 on that ONE thread (there are three different threads on this issue on that ONE forum). The number is now at 32 different bikes.

When you measure quality control issues on a $12K product, this is a large margin of error for one single item. The reality is that there is a problem, and hopefully a solution will happen soon.

You should be glad your bike is not one of the 32 (that have been reported and that I have counted so far). But I'm sure if your bike were in this mix, you would think differently about this issue.

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Production this year was supposed to be increased to 7500 bikes instead of the original target of 5000. For the sake of argument, let's say only half of those have been sold and are in service. If that's true, 32 is still less than 1% of 3750 bikes sold. That's a pretty small number. Yes, it sucks for someone who owns one, but I'm sure Triumph will get it ironed out.
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Old 07-15-2011, 10:14 AM   #7234
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It is really sad when people try to dismiss issues. It doesn't help the cause of the people who have the issues. I did not finish the count yet... I'm now on page 11 of 17 on that ONE thread (there are three different threads on this issue on that ONE forum). The number is now at 32 different bikes.

When you measure quality control issues on a $12K product, this is a large margin of error for one single item. The reality is that there is a problem, and hopefully a solution will happen soon.

You should be glad your bike is not one of the 32 (that have been reported and that I have counted so far). But I'm sure if your bike were in this mix, you would think differently about this issue.

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Statistically, it's not even close to being a 'large margin of error' and the price you pay has nothing to do with those stats.
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Old 07-15-2011, 10:22 AM   #7235
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It is really sad when people try to dismiss issues...

I'm not dismissing the issue -- of course Triumph needs to fix it -- I'm just saying it's not as endemic a problem as some people would have you think. Just as the Bonneville broken spokes weren't.

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Old 07-15-2011, 10:59 AM   #7236
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I'm not dismissing the issue -- of course Triumph needs to fix it -- I'm just saying it's not as endemic a problem as some people would have you think. Just as the Bonneville broken spokes weren't.

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I am an infrequent commenter on this thread and the T800 forum because the discussion is dominated by those with problems seeking solutions, and I have nothing to add to that discussion yet.

On my XC in the two months and 3,000 miles I have had the bike, I have not experienced any of the oft reported problems with excessive heat, not idling, exhaust banging, wind turbulence and noise, chain/centerstand/kickstand clanking, inability to get the 21" wheel to corner quickly, getting the handlebars in the right position for sitting and standing, bad dealer, bad suspension, etc ....

For me the Tiger has been all good, and it has exceeded my expectations. But I am half wishing that something would go wrong so I could be part of the discussion ... NOT!
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Old 07-15-2011, 11:28 AM   #7237
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I opted for the Pelican route. Pelican Storm iM2200:




I don't like the tall boxes as much as I don't like tank bags. This was the compromise.

That case looks great. Just about the right size. Do you have any pics of how you mounted it? And the most important question is...will it hold a six pack of beer?
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Old 07-15-2011, 11:40 AM   #7238
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That case looks great. Just about the right size. Do you have any pics of how you mounted it? And the most important question is...will it hold a six pack of beer?
I mounted it using a caribou mount kit.
You still would need a spacer and longer screws. I used the set from the Touratech rack. I first was going to mount the pelican case directly on the touratech rack. But I had this mounting kit for my Dakar, and it worked well for the Tiger as well (just added a few new holes in the mount kit).

Yes, a six-pack will fit nicely. And if you are talking about regular can size packs, you can probably fit a 12-pack in there.
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Old 07-15-2011, 11:54 AM   #7239
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Production this year was supposed to be increased to 7500 bikes instead of the original target of 5000. For the sake of argument, let's say only half of those have been sold and are in service. If that's true, 32 is still less than 1% of 3750 bikes sold. That's a pretty small number. Yes, it sucks for someone who owns one, but I'm sure Triumph will get it ironed out.
Thanks for the math. Since you bring it up, let's review your math... what grade would you get from your homework assignment?

The denominator is different then what you suggested, since I mentioned here that I'm only gathering these data from one forum. So that is not about all bikes sold. That forum in question has 1,629 people subscribed to it. Of those, not all of them have a Tiger 800 (when I subscribed to it I did not have my bike). So the denominator, the number of potential people who could be reporting a stalling problem in that forum is even a smaller amount than 1,629.

And the nominator is larger, because not everyone has reported their problems in there (my bike is not in that tally, for example, and I'm one of the 1,629). And I'm only past half way through ONE of THREE threads on this issue, so likely that number should go up. Furthermore, if you read it, some bikes did not develop the problem until later on, as in above 3K miles. So others could be added to that list.

If the denominator becomes a smaller number and the nominator becomes a larger number, what happens to the rate of incidents reported? The starting point is already more than double what your math had indicated.

I talked to my dealer today and he has heard of the issue. He thinks it is related to old versions of the ecutune in some bikes.

I'm not trying to make the problem larger than what it possibly is. I'm just pointing out that it is a common, known issue.

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Old 07-15-2011, 12:18 PM   #7240
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:26 PM   #7241
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:28 PM   #7242
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I'm not trying to make the problem larger than what it possibly is. I'm just pointing out that it is a common, known issue.

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Just to add some perspective (note I'm not "for" or "against" either side of this issue....), not everyone who owns a Tigger 800 posts on this (or any) board. In fact, I would argue that a small percentage of owners of ANY brand of motorcycle posts on boards.

At the end of the day, it sounds like dealers are becoming aware of the issue, and together with Triumph are working on nailing down the cause so they can put a definitive solution in place. At the risk of riling the BMW faithful, I would note that this response from Triumph and their dealers is a fair bit better than what the BMW F800 owners have had to endure (leaking heads, shoddy wheel bearings, holing pistons from low octane gas, etc). While I don't have a dog in this fight (yet), I say good on Triumph for working on it and not ignoring/denying it exists.

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Old 07-15-2011, 01:14 PM   #7243
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Going on my first road trip next week and so I wanted to mount my GPS. Here's how I did it:









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Old 07-15-2011, 02:01 PM   #7244
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Going on my first road trip next week and so I wanted to mount my GPS. Here's how I did it:









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Simple, clean installation. Thanks for the detailed pics.
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Excellent placement. Good job.
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