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Old 07-20-2011, 02:37 AM   #7351
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Low sided the Tiger last Friday on the way to work. First time I've been down (had my motorcycle endorsement for 4+ years now).

It was basically a section of road that forces a U-turn. I have taken this road a hundred times and while I've noticed it can be slightly slick (lots of oily trucks as it's a necessary section of road to enter the highway), it was my fault for travelling slightly too fast and turning too aggressively.

I was going between 15 and 20 miles per hour and the crash was about as mild as a crash can be. I was turning, turning, and then sliding. I don't believe I touched the brakes or blipped the throttle, just applied too much (counter)steering. Not sure if the front or rear was lost first. I slid a few meters, the bike kept going straight across the road and "gently" bumped the opposite curb with its tires. I got up, picked the bike up, and went to work. My damage was a quarter sized abrasion on my arm and mildly poked my index finger. Wear your gear.

I foresee trouble for a lot of owners with the rear footpegs. The crash couldn't have been much gentler unless I wasn't moving at all and the rear left footpeg is tweaked slightly. The weld joint has slightly fractured the powder coating so that it's flaking a bit around the weld.

Other damage includes plastic abrasion, small crack in the plastic, left cover abrasion, clutch lever broken and clutch pedal abrasion, left front turn signal broken, the "friction plate" that keeps the rear footpeg locked in the up position broke so it won't stay up. Side stand, foot peg, bottom chain guard, left handlebar mirror and end slider abraded.

I'm replacing the turn signal and clutch lever. The rest I'll leave for now as a reminder to not be stupid.


Crashing sucks. There's nothing worse than seeing your wonderful bike sparking and skidding away from you. Photos here.


On the upside, my Micatech luggage shipped and will be here Thursday!
I've read on numerous occasions that you guys in the US fix your own bikes after a spill like this. Is there a reason that you don't claim on your insurance especially in view that the frame might be bent?
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Old 07-20-2011, 03:02 AM   #7352
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It is to do with tiered licencing. At the moment we have to pass the main test riding a bike of at least 47bhp and the EU is proposing another level at twice that. Hence 94bhp for the Tiger.
I'm not too well informed about all this because it doesn't really concern me having had my full licence for 37 years. So I don't know the full details.
Triumph has a history of this with the Tiger955i which is rated at 104bhp. France introduced a limit of 105Ps some years ago and the Tiger fits nicely. However, there are moves afoot within the EU for complete uniformity so they're trying to persuade France to scrap that limit. BUT..................now France is introducing all sorts of other shit like having to wear hi-viz.....................don't get me started!
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Ah the good old EU....where about the only country that plays by the rules are the Brits
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Old 07-20-2011, 03:16 AM   #7353
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Ah the good old EU....where about the only country that plays by the rules are the Brits
It's worse than that. Our civil service, the idiots that back up the government, actually "gold plate" some of the directives that come from the EU. That means they add their own bits to it. God help us!
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:02 AM   #7354
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I've read on numerous occasions that you guys in the US fix your own bikes after a spill like this. Is there a reason that you don't claim on your insurance especially in view that the frame might be bent?
It depends on the severity of the damage. American insurance companies generally view a claim for an accident that was your fault as a mark against your record regardless of size. In their eyes, its better to make one $10,000 claim than three $500 claims. Unfortunately if you make too many claims, you run the risk of cancellation or at least increased policy rates.

Lets say for example, you had a minor accident that did $1,000 in damage. Usually you will have a deductible of around $500 which diminishes your reimbursement. You then have to ask yourself do you want to possibly have your insurance rates raised for several years for a measely $500 check from them.
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:13 AM   #7355
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:16 AM   #7356
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Triumph has determined by way of their ability to access my bike's ECU via the internet that it needs a new throttle body assembly. The throttle position sensor will not stay in adjustment and one other part that I can't remember is affected as well. All of these parts are grouped into the throttle body assembly and therefore, mine needs to be replaced.

I believe this assembly is made by Keihin; sounds like Triumph received a batch of faulty parts.

I hope your replacement part comes in soon!

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Old 07-20-2011, 06:52 AM   #7357
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Johno33772,

I wish I would have known about the brackets that you had for your Cycra hand guards, those are sweet!

Looking through the web site I think I found the ones that you have:
U-Clamp ‘08 Pro Taper/KTM OEM Renthal Taper/Neken – (#1156-02)
Did you special order those separately or were they apart of a “kit”.

av_mech,

I believe they take into account the decreasing diameter of the bar for the clamps. Just as long as you order the diameter of the handle bar that is at your handle bar mounting point.

I ordered the PROBEND CRM – 1 1/8” BARS COMPLETE RACER PACK from the CYCRA web site. They came with the Center Reach Mount.

I guess the Tiger bars are too wide for this set up because the center reach mount did not make it to where they are in the picture. That is what threw the hand guard bar mounting angle off since it was further up the bend in the bar.

The other problem I had was, without spacers at the end of the bars there wasn’t any clearance for the clutch and brake levers when they were pulled in. You could move the controls inward but then you would have to cut/file the pins off the switch modules.

I voiced all my concerns in the comment section when I ordered them but I don’t think anyone reads that section.

By the way the replacement Barkbusters went on with little effort. They provided a 1/2” round spacer at the end of the bars for lever clearance.
Great info! I'm sure more people here appreciate that info than just me. No CRMs from Cycra. I'll just wait to get confirmation from Johno or somebody else that the U-mount clamps are part number 1156-02 and order today!
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:56 AM   #7358
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It depends on the severity of the damage. American insurance companies generally view a claim for an accident that was your fault as a mark against your record regardless of size. In their eyes, its better to make one $10,000 claim than three $500 claims. Unfortunately if you make too many claims, you run the risk of cancellation or at least increased policy rates.

Lets say for example, you had a minor accident that did $1,000 in damage. Usually you will have a deductible of around $500 which diminishes your reimbursement. You then have to ask yourself do you want to possibly have your insurance rates raised for several years for a measely $500 check from them.

This is from an older Tiger.



This bike (not mine) was "totaled" by insurance company. Re-purchased by residual value, now has salvage title. A weld job, and it is back in business.

Expensive insurance... because welding a frame is critical according to their eyes, bike has to be totaled. Inefficient transaction, in my eyes, but this rule blanketing frame issues has been in effect for many years. What surprises me is that Triumph has been on this business for a while and they should have thought about a solution to this. The obvious one is to have sub-frames on these bikes, which would circumvent the rules and allow for such small damage to have an easier and less expensive fix.

We all pay for this on our insurance bills.

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Old 07-20-2011, 07:02 AM   #7359
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I believe this assembly is made by Keihin; sounds like Triumph received a batch of faulty parts.

I hope your replacement part comes in soon!

--mark
I think the jury is still out about what causes this problem. If it is the Keihin assembly, hopefully it is only a batch, like you say, because although some bikes have this problem right away, some bikes do not develop the problem until later on.
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:05 AM   #7360
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I got a call from Foothills BMW Triumph, where my bike is being serviced, last Thursday with an update. Triumph has determined by way of their ability to access my bike's ECU via the internet that it needs a new throttle body assembly. The throttle position sensor will not stay in adjustment and one other part that I can't remember is affected as well. All of these parts are grouped into the throttle body assembly and therefore, mine needs to be replaced. The service manager could not give me a date when the part would arrive. He said sometimes parts from the UK get caught up in customs and it takes longer to get them. Not sure what to think about that. It seems to me that Triumph could put the assembly into a box and FedEx or DHL the thing over night if they cared to.

They don't seem to care to.

I'm in a pickle and can't ride my motorcicle....
You don't seem to understand thta even FedEX & DHL need to deal with Customs, there's no way around that.

Sorry to hear of you issue but it will be resolved, Relax, all will be well soon. On the bright side, at least Triumph acknowledges the problem and will have a fix. Not all mfg. have this integrity.

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Old 07-20-2011, 08:34 AM   #7361
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My brother thinking bout getting a tiger 800. But had some questions I have not found aswers too yet. What is the engines compression ratio and can it run 87 octane fuel.
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:51 AM   #7362
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I'm in a pickle and can't ride my motorcicle....
Deano, absolutely keep us updated on where this goes. We're all pulling for you of course!
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:56 AM   #7363
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Crashing sucks. There's nothing worse than seeing your wonderful bike sparking and skidding away from you. Photos here.
Sorry to hear about your low-side, glad you weren't seriously hurt and the damage is largely cosmetic... I was stoked to see my "cutting board" rear rack mod used by another inmate in your pics though

One positive on panniers or pannier racks is that they can act as crash guards for the rear (read: passenger peg mounts) of the bike.
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:19 AM   #7364
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My brother thinking bout getting a tiger 800. But had some questions I have not found aswers too yet. What is the engines compression ratio and can it run 87 octane fuel.
Compression ratio, who knows/cares, prob around 12:1 or so. Yes it is spec'ed to run on 87 octane gas in the US. Go back a couple pages; this was recently discussed at length.
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:28 AM   #7365
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Compression ratio, who knows/cares, prob around 12:1 or so. Yes it is spec'ed to run on 87 octane gas in the US. Go back a couple pages; this was recently discussed at length.
I only ride bike with a 13.1:1 ratio. No more no less.
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