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Old 08-04-2011, 06:40 PM   #7696
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Back to my theory, who has the stalling problem AND an aftermarket exhaust?
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:07 PM   #7697
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When the charcoal canister on the F800GS sucked water (on really rainy days or during water crossings), the bike stalled. And it killed the charcoal over time - which it then might have sucked into more sensible parts of the bike.

Solution was to put a T in the hose that went from the canister down to the lower parts of the bike and route a hose somewhere under the seat from it. That solution was suggested by a BMW mech on a forum and solved canister related stalling and was later the official change in the recall issued by BMW.

Worth a look.

Check out the F800GS findings here.
Makes sense. I was going to suggest looking for a vent tube or something sucking air ... the canister hoses could be doing just that. Perhaps hooked up wrong? Usually canisters are contaminated by overfilling fuel tank. Causes a kind of vapor lock.

In the meantime I'd stick to street riding and let the computer re-learn and re-set as the bike breaks in. Lots of F.I. bikes stall during break in.

Sounds like Triumph need to try some different tunes ... maybe reset the TPS? Perhaps and air leak linked to Canister plumbing? Best of luck!
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:18 PM   #7698
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:24 PM   #7699
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Mine started stalling right after they did the first service. It stalls when pulling away. Sometimes it just gives a bit of a hiccup then goes. Sometimes it just dies. It's not due to riding technique because the bike ran fine before the service. The dealer was not able to fix it yet. They know I"m not bullshitting them because the same thing happened to their demo bike. They want a solution as much as me
Well, whatever the case is, I will wait until they get it fixed. If I had a dealer in town, I’d buy the Tiger now, but they’re 1 1/2 hours away.
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:47 PM   #7700
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It seems obvious there is an issue and I am glad to see/hear that Triumph is working on a solution. The fact remains that it is a relatively small number of bikes having this issue which leads me to believe it might be something in how the bikes are being ridden. I am not saying this is the case… Just saying it is a possibility.

A similar issue arose with the f.i. F650’s in 2001/02.. Those who rode them hard never seemed to have a hesitation issue that those who didn’t run them hard were experiencing.
I thought it was BMW who consistently tell owners "you are not riding the bike properly!!!" The old "Blame The Owner" method!

As unpopular as you opinion about "riding hard" is here ... I tend to agree with you. I've owned four or five F.I. bikes ... and nearly ALL had stalling probs when brand new. Riding them hard always helped or eliminated the problem within about 1000 miles.

In any case, it is pointless to dive in and make a bunch of changes to Tunes, TPS, or TB settings before the bike is FULLY broken in. During break in, everything is constantly changing. Once stable, that is the time to go through and carefully re-set all parameters, install the best Tune and sync TB's and reset TPS.

When I have ridden the XC I felt it was happiest between about 5K RPM and 8K RPM. Sweet spot ... with the occasional bump off the rev limiter.
Here's hoping a solution will present itself .... and soon.
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:58 PM   #7701
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XC800R? Anyone?

With Triumph's continuing rave reviews in the Moto press with nearly ALL their bikes (XC800 included), would anyone predict a future "R" version of the T800XC, similar to the stunning Daytona 675R?

No doubt bargain priced Ohlins front and rear would sweeten the deal for the XC ... but what else could Triumph come up with to make a better overall package?

No question the current Street Triple R will get the Daytona "R" treatment next ... could the Tiger XC be next in line for an "R"?

Maybe a few additional extras could be thrown in as well as trick suspension? "Special" bolt on rear sub frame? Or bolt on passenger pegs?
Maybe add an inch more travel/ground clearance? Bark busters/crash bars as standard? What else does it need?
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Old 08-04-2011, 10:07 PM   #7702
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Much better mounting/bracket system for the OEM panniers. Other than that as I have said before a info button for dash with easy on and off ABS. Near perfect bike in most aspects and if they give it more ground clearance might alienate the more vertically challenge. The way the XC and seat adjustments are presently makes this bike good for even a shorty like me at 5'41/2".


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Old 08-04-2011, 10:15 PM   #7703
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Much better mounting/bracket system for the OEM panniers. Other than that as I have said before a info button for dash with easy on and off ABS. Near perfect bike in most aspects and if they give it more ground clearance might alienate the more vertically challenge. The way the XC and seat adjustments are presently makes this bike good for even a shorty like me at 5'41/2".


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Old 08-04-2011, 10:18 PM   #7704
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What rpm's did you cruise at?

I stand by my statement. You likely short shift the bike and cruise at too low of an rpm. If I am wrong on this by all means correct me. To snip back with the: "... taken your bike out of the driveway" Makes me think I am right even more than before. So you rode to Alaska... Great! Thanks for the pictures... Hope you had fun.




No, I have not "rode" one... But YES I have ridden one... and like many others I did not experience a stalling issue. I am not saying it doesn't happen... I am saying that not running the engine the way it is designed to be run might indeed be behind the fuel mapping glitch.

i think you need to read more carefully. i can ride the shit out of my xc, but it stalls coming off idle. should i idle more aggressively?
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Old 08-04-2011, 10:30 PM   #7705
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This subject intrests me greatly as I will be soon be selling them.

panorton: Any ideas what is behind the stalls coming off idle? Do you feal it is a mapping issue?
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Old 08-04-2011, 11:10 PM   #7706
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I thought I would chime in to my 800 Tiger experience.

I picked up my bike in May and have about about 3000 miles on it now. On the day I went to pick it up the salesman suggested riding it around the back lot just to check it out. The first thing that I noticed, as someone else mentioned here, was an “off idle bog”. While you could power through that spot it just didn’t feel right to me. I asked that one of the mechanics take it for a ride to see what he thought. Apparently it didn’t feel right to him because he pulled it back into the shop.

The Techs and sales people that I talked to seemed genuinely surprised that the bike was having a problem. Typically the Triumphs were always set up properly.

I got a little annoyed by one of the other technicians when he implied that I wasn’t working the clutch properly. I guess that could be true if I was new to motorcycles but I have ridden enough bikes over the past 30 years to know how to modulate a clutch. But I just let it slide.

The salesman was pretty nice, he took me back into the show room and we preceded to swap motorcycle stories. Of course that can only last so long. After about an hour we went back down to check on the bike. And there was my new motorcycle all apart and hooked up to the life support. We went back up stairs and I wandered around every square inch of the dealership looking at bikes, parts, accessories. I guess it was another 1/2 hour when we got the call it was ready.

The next test ride was much better. They had tweaked the settings on the throttle bodies/ECM/TPS (sorry no details). I was just glad that they got it sorted out. I haven’t had any issues with the bike since.

The dealership had a great deal on Triumph parts on the day of purchase so I went ahead and ordered the Arrow pipe. Once that came in I installed it myself and rode around until it was time for the 600 mile “check up”. At that point they remapped the ECM for the Arrow and I would swear the the engine actually ran smoother after the remap. I don’t know if that is possible but that’s what it felt like.

I have noticed that the bike does get a little warm on the thighs though. You definitely don’t “hug” it when the temps are in the upper 90’s. And more heat comes out on the right side. I think the majority of the heat come out of those holes in the plastic and the reason the right is hotter is because the overflow tank is on that side (just a theory). I think I’ll experiment with blocking off those holes.

I’ve never had a problem with the bike over heating. It seems to go to that 5th bar on the heat meter and stay there. Even when I have been riding in traffic on triple digit days. One thing I noticed about the temperature gauge was how sensitive it is. After sitting outside during my work day I would come out and switch on the ignition and I would have 2 bars just from the ambient temperature.

I hope every one that has been having problems do get their bikes sorted out. It is a blast too ride. Can you say SMOOOOOOOOOTH? I knew you could.
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Old 08-04-2011, 11:13 PM   #7707
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I would almost bet money that any and all who are having stalling issues are not riding the bike as it should be ridden... Meaning they are running at too low of an RPM. Shift down a gear or two and ride the damn things... Problem solved.
You are so right that Triumph's fix is not in the software or anything else. They are just editing the owner's manual.
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Old 08-05-2011, 12:01 AM   #7708
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Maybe....

I'm really interested in the 800xc. I've tried searching online for others having problems with the bike but haven't been able to find anything. So, I'm guessing it's a very small number bikes that are having trouble, or....maybe it has something to do with this forum...the only people having problems with their bikes are on this forum...Quit posting and reading and see what happens. kidding of course

Dakez..are you going to be a dealer or a salesman at a dealership? I'm self employed, therefore I'm a salesman of sorts. I have two rules. 1. never show up to meet with the customer in an expensive car (not that there's anything wrong with really nice cars) 2. never stir up contention with customers or potential customers. Just sayin'

Best of luck to y'all..
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Old 08-05-2011, 01:27 AM   #7709
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and to everyone talking about it, I GUARANTEE the heat coming from the right side is from the cat....which might be a nice touch in the winter:oP
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Old 08-05-2011, 02:16 AM   #7710
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and to everyone talking about it, I GUARANTEE the heat coming from the right side is from the cat....which might be a nice touch in the winter:oP
Actually what I think everyone is feeling is heat from the radiator being blown, by the fan, across the top of the cylinder head and it comes out of the first gap in the bikes design which is by your knees.
Blocking off those gaps will, no doubt, send the hot air somewhere else. But where is the next question. Could then be getting roasted gonads.
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